Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by TheLonelySquire, May 19, 2017.
And not half bad either.
I can't see a second US civil war without some major cause - given the last one was mostly about states wanting to take their ball home because big bad government wouldn't let them own black people any more (yes, I know there was an element of states rights, but when the right that was pivoting on was slavery, the moral ground is no longer in your vicinity) and the only equivalent now is likely gun ownership (not that I'm equating owning a gun with owning a slave.)
The increasing polarisation into various echo-chambered groups probably increases the likelihood, but can't see anything being a tipping point.
I'm pretty certain that claim has been definitively rebutted.
Not surprisingly, you're wrong.
You are 100% wrong.
In addition to his drive-by “disagree,” @Dayton3 will now prove his point.
To be fair, it's not the lefties in general, it's the ones in power who love their guns, mainly as it ensures those who are maybe feeling a little less equal than was promised before a revolution don't get too far with any revolutionary feelings of their own.
Communists states have never seemed to appreciate the irony in them having multiple-class public transport systems, nor in ensuring they have the state apparatus that maintains the existence of such social classes.
You would be among the first to be killed.
He'd probably shit his pants, cry a lot and just hide in his trailer the whole time.
"I shit my pants as I wait for the Reaper, lie in fetal position".
Sure they do. They call it farce rather than irony, but it's very much reflected.
There will not be a civil war. You are not understanding your people on the right. They are mostly lazy cowards who have others do their dirty work. There are the occasional terrorists who go do violence, but otherwise the right has the police or military do their dirty work for them. A civil war requires a bit more than a couple of people doing violence. It requires a commitment by a decent percentage of the population to engage directly in the war or else the participants are simply arrested or killed by the police.
Look at Dylan roof. He was bothered there was no action on the right and he went out and shot up a black church in hopes of inspiring unrest. There was no follow up action. So it was just a horrible criminal incident. It is not that there is not racism, but people do not want to die or lose their cushy lives to make blacks sub human again. People have too much to lose to start a war over political partisanship, on both sides. Trump is terrible but you do not see the left trying to kill his ass so they have to go off the grid in hiding. War is going to destroy every cushy benefit we enjoy being here in America. That is why you only see wackos and poor people going off. Everyone else wants to finish binge watching their favorite tv program and you just cannot do that when you are hiding from the Fed's and local cops.
So unless we see a massive collapse in American society we will not see a civil war. Hopefully the rich are smart enough to make sure the middle class and poor people have their reality tv and game of peni to placate their anger.
Maybe. I'm not a gun owner. Yet.
While I don't agree with everything Tererun says, much less his attitude I do think he brings up some points.
People easy forget how economic factors helped dramatically ramp up the level of tension leading to the American Civil War. The big economic downturn just before the war affected mainly the north ratcheting up tensions and resentments there while serving to reinforce the souths arrogance and sense of superiority ("Cotton is King!")
This country survived Kennedy's assassination, MLK's assassination, Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra and 9/11 without descending into civil war. I don't think Trump's incompetent bungles are going to be what drives us over that cliff.
Besides, by and large Americans are no longer willing to put their lives on the line for any cause, much less ultimately trivial political partisanship and culture war wedge issues. Americans are fat and lazy. We may be a nation of millions of guns, but that doesn't mean we're a nation of warriors seeking honorable deaths. Americans aren't willing to die for anything these days.
We should be grateful that the Nazis rose to power in an era when men were still willing to take up arms and die to combat fascism. We've raised a generation of whining, useless millennials who largely don't even believe in the Bill of Rights anymore.
....he says on a board with at least 3 millennial vets.
I never said there weren't people who volunteered to serve in the Armed Forces. Although I think Anc would have squealed like a little girl and wet his panties if he ever had to stare down the wrong end of a Taliban AK-47.
What we're talking about here is "civil war." Brother taking up arms against brother. Neighbor vs. neighbor. Your average Joe two houses down is more worried about what the Property Brothers are up to this week than thinking about waging war on the guy across the street because that guy voted for Hillary and thinks it's o.k. for two dudes to get married.
...doesn't leave any wiggle room.
Own your shit, you fuckin' weasel.
It won't be much use without a lot of practice along with an education in strategy and tactics. Even then any well trained small squad would still take you out. Hell, air support and artillery fire would probably take you guys out. Good luck with Bubba's trailer park militia though.
You're right, they're not. You know why? Because some of our societal institutions, much maligned of late, are stepping up to do their jobs: the Free Press, the Justice Department, the National Security Establishment, and when the time comes the Congress and the Senate. Clown Show will be over, and the Republic will be preserved.
I would expect an increase in casual violence and sporadic street fighting at protests, but nothing like a full scale war. At least not this time.
I'll take that as a "no".
Fleshy's going to post selfies instead of arguments from now on.
I don't think a full on formal "war" in the 19th century sense is possible any longer, but there is a pretty committed cadre of pro-Trump "fools" on social media already beginning to buzz about it.
I could see some significant level of domestic violence arising if Trump were to be removed from office (which I still find unlikely - impeached yes, certainly, but not actually removed...albeit things are developing in that direction rapidly)
on none of those occasions were we infected with a segment of the population indoctrinated with 20 years of "us v. them" propaganda about the "liberal menace out to destroy America"
The Roger Ailes generation legitimately believes that it might be necessary to violently rise up in order to patriotically save the country from the left.
Most of them don't believe that and I know quite a few .
They probably spout the idea but its mainly a thin attempt to make them feel proud and patriotic about owning a bunch of guns when in reality they own the guns because they love big toys that go "boom".
in general I agree, but they have been conditioned by 20 years of propaganda - the well has been poisoned enough that some - not most, but enough to be significant, may act out.
on none of those occasions were we infected with a segment of the population indoctrinated with 20 years of "us v. them" propaganda about the "conservative menace out to destroy America"
The Barack Obama generation legitimately believes that it might be necessary to violently rise up in order to patriotically save the country from the right.
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