Big Win For School Choice

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Federal Farmer, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:39 PM.

  1. Federal Farmer

    Federal Farmer Soul Rebel

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    I guess Roberts isn't all bad. Here's the ruling. You can find the full text at the bottom of the article.Dicky is not overjoyed.
    https://reason.com/2020/06/30/supre...chool-choice-and-religious-liberty-advocates/
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  2. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    If the state is going to subsidize education then it seems like the correct ruling, however it should also come with the proviso that the religious institutions can't use religion as a basis for discrimination if they are going to receive public funds.
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  3. Rimjob Bob

    Rimjob Bob Probably has Corona (of the ass)

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    I see good arguments on both sides of this case. But another 5-4 decision along partisan lines is troubling in and of itself. And Republican appointees seem far too eager to disregard the Establishment Clause and (in Thomas' case) to disregard judicial precedent on the matter.
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  4. Asyncritus

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    This is exactly the way things are done in France. France is much stronger on "separation of church and state" than the US, but it has long been ruled that religious orientation alone cannot be used to discriminate against organisations that receive public funds.

    The golden rule is whether those who benefit from the actions of the group in question are truly free to take whatever stance they want where beliefs about spiritual matters are concerned. If there is an outright requirement to hold to some particular religious orientation, or pressure such as "you won't progress as well as others if you don't adhere to our spiritual values", the subventions are withheld.

    You can inform people of what you believe and why (for example, in putting in place assemblies where Biblical teaching is given out), but if participating in those assemblies is mandatory, then you aren't "neutral" and you don't get subventions.

    Which all suits me fine. Jesus never once hinted that his disciples should impose their beliefs or values on society as a whole. Even Israel, God's "test case" in the Old Testament to demonstrate that law can never really change hearts, never once had a mandate to impose their own spiritual law on any others. In the New Testament, the Gospel is all about free choice. The very worst periods in church history came about when Christians imposed their religion on people who didn't want it. The result was catastrophic not only for society but also for Christianity, which lost its very soul and got so far from Jesus' teaching that it wasn't even recognizable any more.
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  5. Kommander

    Kommander Not the Best Choice

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    I think the Satanic Temple should start opening schools and seek state funding. Seems like exactly the sort of thing they'd do. They'd probably end up being the best schools in the country as well.
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    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    So a school which caters to a GLBT student can now get federal funding.
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  7. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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  8. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    big win in the ongoing crusade for theocracy (Betsy Devos' passion project but she's very not alone)
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  9. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey you can't spell hatred without "red hat"

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    We still support a catholic school system on the public purse here.
    As I understand it, the caveats include open enrollment and "equal time" for comparative religion studies.

    Still, it's a holdover from our original confederation over 150 years ago meant to placate Quebec that should be rolled into the common public system.

    I've gotta disagree with a tax credit for private schooling though-at least until those of us who have been decent enough not to add to overpopulation are also afforded a break.