Can Kids Consent to Hormone Blockers?

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Can Kids Consent to Hormone Blockers?

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    I ask because the conversation of puberty blockers came up while discussing Joe Rogan and I recently watched a Joe Rogan podcast with Jim Bruer in which it came up again. I then talked to a friend of mine about it and he questioned whether a kid can consent to something like to which I responded that we don't allow kids to consent to sex, so it would make sense that they can't consent to hormone blockers or hormone enhancers. That then led me to do a little bit of research and it turns out that in the UK a judge recently ruled that parents can consent on their children's behalf starting at the age of 16. So it seems that case will probably have huge implications in the near future. What say you Wordforge?

    https://www.bergenpflag.com/loving-...ds-behalf-high-court-says-in-landmark-ruling/
  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Fun fact:
    Neither Joe Rogan nor Jim Breuer are biologists or psychologists.
    :facts:
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  3. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    Neither are you, what's your point?
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  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Gender isn't about sex.
    Fingers are used in sex, and the crypto-fascists don't politicize fixing a broken finger.
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  5. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

    The Ghost of Crazy Horse Soul Rebel

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    I know. Neither is alcohol, but we don't allow kids to drink it.
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    For minors, the consent of parents and the approval of medical and psychological professionals finding serious need would be my standard.
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  7. matthunter

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    Someone should have told my grandmother that.

    Blue Nun is a hell of a gateway wine.
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  8. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    At what age are we talking about and what serious need?
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    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    Can kids consent to any medical procedures? I sure as FUCK didn't consent to that tetanus shot.
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  10. Bickendan

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    Right? Better off for it though
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  11. matthunter

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    Anyhoo, the proper answer to FF's question is "well, ask for them and see".
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  12. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

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    A whole bunch of countries have no minimum age for drinking alcohol, particularly in Europe.

    It's almost like you're painfully ignorant or something. :chris:
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    Oh come on. I was selectively bred to resist diseases. Everyone here knows that!
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    Say, that makes me think, how are you on male circumcision, FF? :chris:
    I didn't consent to that shit, and society was all in on that.
    Especially the God-fearing muthafuckas who hate trans people.
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    Haven’t you been insisting you’re not a kid?
  16. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    That's just one example of what we don't let kids do, but way to miss the point and not address the OP.
  17. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    I don't see the point in circumcision and no, I didn't consent to that.
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    Well, you certainly can after.
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  19. 14thDoctor

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    -Why do we as a society not let kids do certain things or make certain decisions until they reach a particular age? What's the justification for allowing them the freedom to make some decisions and not others? Is it an issue of potential harm, or is it a matter of ethical or biblical morality?
    -Why do you feel the decision to take hormone blockers is a decision a child shouldn't be allowed to make?
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    The point is that it makes your pee-pee look less like a burrito and more like the Amazon logo sans peyronie's disease*.


    *Good luck everyone on rooting out that seed I planted in your heads.
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    Because their brains haven't fully formed yet. It's the same reason they shouldn't be held as responsible for their actions as adults are.
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    The age of puberty, and in cases where gender dysphoria is leading the patient to self-harm or it restricts their normal daily activities.
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  23. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

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    If a child complains of the physical or mental symptoms of most illnesses, we don't say "your brain isn't fully formed yet, you aren't old enough to decide if your stomach hurts." Why should gender dysphoria be different?

    I can't wear fleece sweaters. They give me painful eczema breakouts wherever they come in direct contact with my skin. I've known this since I was 10. I'm also allergic to fabric softener for the same reason, and have been since I was born. Should I have been forced to wear fleece sweaters treated with fabric softener until I was 18, because my brain wasn't fully formed? :shrug:
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    I'm not saying it should be any different. Can a 10 year old walk into a doctors office, fill out all the paperwork, tell the doc they have a stomach ache, get a diagnosis, and then go pick up a prescription at the CVS?
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  25. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    Question #1. Because they are children and aren't capable of understanding the implications of some of these decisions. They also lack the maturity.

    Question #2. As they grow older they are better able to understand the decisions they are making, but still not mature enough for some of the bigger stuff.

    Question #3. It absolutely is an issue of potential harm as well as ethical morality and for some, there is a religious component involved.

    Question #4. @Man Afraid of his Shoes beat me to it, but our brains don't fully develop until we're in our mid twenties. Not only that, but has long term implications that can result in serious issues. Even fully formed adults are having problems.
    https://www.hli.org/resources/what-percentage-of-transgenders-regret-surgery/
    Not only that, but this is a fairly new thing and you're messing with the human body that we don't know all of the risks involved. Some of the changes are irreversible.
    .
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/...ion-medical-risks-are-both-known-and-unknown/
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  26. 14thDoctor

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    What exactly do you think hormone blockers do, other than temporarily delaying puberty? What "implications" do you think there are? :chris:

    You know puberty starts at wildly different ages for different people, right? How do you propose dealing with the "implications" of that? :chris:
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  27. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    Post #25 tells you what the long term effects are and some of it is irreversible. They can cause sterilization.
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    oldfella1962 high speed, low drag

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    :huh: NO FUCKING WAY! So you're telling me having your own line of gorilla face kettlebells and playing Goat Boy on SNL doesn't automatically make you a medical professional?
    Damn....pull down Old Glory, we are toast as a nation. We had a good run I guess.

    gorilla.jpg goat.jpg
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  29. Diacanu

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    I think you're thinking of estrogen.
    A transitioning transwomen does go through permanent male sterility.
    Never heard of the puberty blockers doing that.

    There's a guy with a rare genetic condition that kept his puberty from happening, and froze him as a little boy.
    If he opted to take testosterone, he'd go through male puberty, and his balls would work.
    Seems as though the same would hold true for a puberty-blocked person who stopped the blockers.
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    I compare the two penis types as firemen helmets and aardvarks. Great band name BTW!