Canada to ban single-use plastics by 2021

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  1. Bailey

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    Canada is 0.49% of the world population, so if they contribute 0.1% of the ocean waste it's still worthwhile reducing that as part of global efforts to reduce overall pollution.

    Also since you apparently have access to the stats could you check if the majority of waste in Canadian rivers/coastal waters is in fact Canadian? (I'd be fucking impressed if Asian waste could flow upstream) If so it will make a material difference there.
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    This isn't just Canada. There is a movement towards this globally, with parts of the US and the EU making similar moves - and it's as much out of necessity as out of environmental concern. China and other countries in the far east have stopped importing plastic waste so there is nowhere to put it.
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    Do your homework.

    Canada and other western nations do a pretty good job of dumping their trash onto Asian countries.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/waste-recyclables-malaysia-philippines-cbc-explains-1.5153399
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    Beat me to it.
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    We had a thread a while back which had estimates for the Pacific Ocean specifically which said around 98% of plastic in the Pacific Ocean came from Asia with around 3/4ths of that coming from China as China hasn’t bothered to build modern landfills and waste disposal systems. If you want to actually have a measurable impact THAT is the problem you have to deal with.

    As I said, 0.1% is probably a vast, vast over statement of how much of the plastic found in oceans comes from Canada. It is a joke, an expensive joke, which will decrease public food safety and which will not have anything meaningful to show for it in terms of reducing the stated problem (plastic in oceans). Thus why intelligent people correctly say this is nothing but empty virtue signaling.

    It is in every way the very definition of bad public policy. Modern ludditism.
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    Modern ludditism is saying you can't do two things at once. It has decimated the ability to pass meaningful public policy in the US. Good to see Canada is taking a first step on this global issue.
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    I think the point being made is that many of the landfills used by richer Western nations are poorer Eastern nations and that seriously skews the figures. Doesn't one continent representing 98% of the oceans' waste plastic seem just a little too much to be feasible?

    This is why the US currently has a problem figuring out what to do with the waste China will no longer take, because they are in a position not to need the money anymore.
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    That just goes to show what a crock most recycling really is. The stuff people dutifully sort to be recycled? Yeah, most of it ends up being landfilled because recycling is just a pain in the ass and not even the Chinese want to do it any more. Also, your full of it claiming America has no where to put it. They dump it in landfills because the value of that "recyclable material" is so low it just doesn't justify the time and expense to be bothered with it. Fact!
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    What is the other thing you think this policy addresses? No one said we can't do other things, specifically, people have said THIS policy is bull shit which costs money and doesn't do a damn thing about plastic in oceans. It is a fact that this will cost money and not do a damn thing to solve the problem it is supposed to solve. Full stop.

    It is money wasted plus it will harm public health by decreasing public sanitation. So harm, cost, and no benefit. What sort of brain damage mongoloid supports an empty policy like that unless it is just to virtue signal?
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    Unless you've stumbled across a genies lamp while digging through empty bottles, just because you say something doesn't make it true.
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    Except it is. It self evidently is.

    But as long as it allows you to virtue signal you are willing to over look little things like facts and truth, huh? I wonder what you will tell the families of the (not many but definitely some) people who die from contaminated food which could have been prevented. Will you tell them their family member needed to die so you could feel good in your virtue signaling?

    I prefer good policies ehich actually effect the stated problem in cost effective ways which don't damage public health. Crazy, I know, but it actually can be done if we use facts and acience instead of your god damned feelings.
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    You keep referring to how this will affect public health and food safety, yet provide no examples. Can you elaborate on that?
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    I asked earlier about if the term "single use plastics" included plastics used to package things like raw meat in grocery stores or, say, plastic packaging of food stuffs. I am assuming that would fall under the term "single use plastics" would it not?

    I mean it is used a single time then thrown away, no? And it is plastic so... Single use plastics?
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    I'm not a fan of the Trudeau government by any means, but I can't even comprehend them being stupid enough to not cover up raw meat in grocery stores. I HIGHLY doubt that type of packaging will fall under this proposed plastic ban. Also our government food safety department, CFIA, is one of the most strict in the world
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    So when they say they will ban "single use plastics" they do not mean they will ban all or even most "single use plastics"? Maybe they should be specific about what they are banning then? Because it sure as fuck isn't "single use plastics".

    Instead, all they are talking about is plastic bags? Someone should teach those stupid lying fucks how to speak English as they clearly are not using generally accepted definitions from the English language.

    Are you happy with a PM who is unable to use common English words correctly? Maybe he should be sent to an ESL class or something?
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    You didn't even read the article or the excerpts quoted in this thread did you. :lol:
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    Is the information factually incorrect? I await your disertation on how it is factually wrong.
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    Still waiting for you to explain how this is bad for food safety when what they have said they will do is ban single use plastics where alternatives exist.
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    I actually do see there being a problem with plastic recycling. Glass and metals can be reclaimed and reformed into new products, but everything I have read about plastic recycling says it really cannot be reused to the same sources it came from. So you cannot resell it back to the manufacturing companies to be used for things like plastic containers like it was originally purposed for. There are certain things you can do with it to repurpose it, but those are limited. It is just the nature of the product that once it is formed you really cannot reform it again. You can basically just shred it and hope that material is needed.

    Plastic is convenient, but we need to change our lifestyles to get away from plastic containers and into multi use containers. Yes, it would do a lot of good to get away from plastic bottles, cups, lids, and other items. I think straws would be the last item on the list being the plastic cups and lids are probably a lot more plastic than that thin little straw.

    I could see a big elimination of waste if we went back to paper cups, wooden stirrers, paper straws, and away from plastic bottles we see at convenience stores and fast food places.
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    I am wondering why we cannot go back to the old way of wax paper and wrapping meats instead of styro/plastic and plastic wrap? That used to be just fine, but now the supermarket likes to give me cold cuts in plastic bags when the old paper wrapping worked just fine.
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    I wish the US would. The more we learn about the intelligence of whales and dolphins the more it looks like keeping them in pools is eventually going to be seen in a very awful light in a few decades.
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    So what do you propose?
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    Or any of the posts in this thread, as is painfully apparent.

    Also, there is such a thing as biodegradable plastic which can replace the other stuff in a variety of cases.
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