Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Nova, Feb 15, 2021.
Which is a great argument against employment at will.
We've developed civilization and culture to overcome tribalism. Uniquely among all animals we have the capacity to create our own narratives - those narratives can be inclusive or exclusive. The concept of a city-state expanded from tribal identity. Then religion, then the nation state. We are able to create structures that don't hate the other simply because they are the other, and become more and more inclusive.
And that's more than anything else what's going on in America right now. We are having to get past white identity politics to be what they always claimed we were - a nation state that is accepting of everyone.
It has always been our worst instincts to fight against that - see the Civil War, Jim Crow, suppression of gay rights. Hell, the bombed Tulsa and staged white supremacy coups in Wilmington and New Orleans once upon a time.
Conservatives want to keep the white America in power.
Liberals want to be inclusive.
There's extremists on the left that take it too far, to be sure, but that's a bug, not a feature. Exclusion and white identity politics is the raison d'etre of the GOP now.
It doesn't even require that. The right is offended about the policies they put in place, once again.
A corporation has every right to fire an employee that negatively impacts their bottom line, because that's the way the right has wanted it in their states for decades.
Want worker protections, that's great. But as usual, they only come to that conclusion when they realize it affects THEM.
I saddens me to know that you actually believe this. "Liberals" are only inclusive of those who agree with them and frequently fall to fighting amongst themselves over who is more "liberal" or "progressive" or "woke" than whom. Witness the extreme backlash against any black American who might be conservative, for example.
People are people. Ten thousand years of history has made them no less tribal, no less short-sighted, no less fearful of the Other. Still just four hairs away from being baboons.
8000 BC we hadn't even come up with Plato or Aristotle yet, we didn't know what the sun was or that the stars were other suns. Working together for human rights would have been seen as insane, and slavery was a wide spread practice almost ubiquitous throughout the world.
We've clearly made progress. And even if we backslide on occassion, we are still far better off than the people of that time in numerous ways, including our understanding of human nature and philosophy.
But it does go to show the genesis of your conservative mentality.
You are still afraid.
I don't know if you don't know the meaning of inclusive or if you don't understand the difference between reality and propaganda.
Reality: that which exists independent of your belief in it. Inclusive: accepting of all things. Propaganda: mainstream media.
Incidentally, by that definition of "inclusive" I am not inclusive. I'm not so much "accepting" as I am "indifferent." Whatever your personal beliefs or motivations or goals, so long as you're not bothering me with it I don't care what you're in to.
The tolerance paradox isn't the show-stopper you guys think it is.
Get a new routine.
Mainstream media is not, in and of itself, propaganda. Propaganda is tailoring the way "news" is presented in such a way as to lead the reader to believe certain things. For example, everything reported about communism/socialism from 1940s through early 2000s in the US has been propaganda. Regardless of which bias (left or right) is reporting. The best way to avoid propaganda would be to look for news sources toward the top of the media charts provided already in different threads on this board.
Anyway, the Left is not necessarily intolerant. Some are. Not because they are on the Left, but because they are human.
So, regardless of what your Right leaning news bias is telling you, "the Left" is not intolerant.
And you are deluded.
Spoken like an unfortunate subject of intensive propaganda.
Lanz totally cool with Jew burning, since he's not a Jew.
Arse, overwrote my previous post, so here we go again:
And if someone else is bothering me?
You don't give a shit.
Others have more social awareness, so they rally behind me and decry the folk bothering me.
And THIS is the point at which you get outraged?!
Fix your priorities.
That's actually an excellent illustrative example of my point. The relentless savagery of humanity towards itself has not changed in thousands of year. Proclaiming yourself as superior and enlightened simply because you personally have not murdered anyone . . . at least, not yet . . . ignores the basic nature of the species.
As Uncle Albert once posted, should it happen that I become a Q or some other "supreme being," there's a whole lot of you fuckheads in for some serious justice.
No, that's an excellent illustrative example of how you're as thick as pigshit with concrete stirred in.
It in no way excuses or addresses your "hands off, unless I'm personally affected" shite.
Your Q statement implies you WOULD take action, if you had power. But you DO have power. As part of society.
That you choose not to do so makes you a moral coward.
You wouldn't like the way I'd intervene.
I'd be concerned, if you hadn't just demonstrated ya don't have the balls to do so:
I'm torn. On the one hand, I don't agree with how conservatives hide behind free speech when what they're really demanding is consequence-free speech. Losing your job over some stupid shit you posted online isn't a violation of anybody's rights. Boycotts and public pressure can be peaceful and legitimate ways of making your voice heard.
On the other hand, it's patently false to assert that leftists never engage in groupthink or mob mentality, never react judgmentally out of ignorance, or that they never go too far in cancelling people who may not deserve it. Hell, Obama's been cancelled by Woke Twitter.
Dude you are literally the epitome of what @Lanzman 's statement says
Didn't Lanzman used to own Wordforge?
Didn't Lanzman ban people for breaking his rules when he owned Wordforge?
Isn't that an example of cancel culture?
huh? How did he piss them off? Was it his "marriage should be between a man & a woman" comments? That's his personal opinion, it doesn't mean he's not going to tolerate those who think differently or do something to oppress gay marriage.
speaking of epic bans.....who was the member quite a few years ago who FLOODED wordforge with ultra-graphic hard core porn on their way out the door?
@oldfella1962 why did you vote for Trump?
Killing terrorists with drones seems to come up quite a bit.
Fuck the woke! As commander-in-chief Obama's job was to put the smackdown on the enemy in the safest manner for his own military. That's the standard for any wartime president.
Hit but don't get hit....it's the essence of fighting.
Gotta ban him from the Senate first
Oh wait. Wrong Ted.
Ain't it funny though how all the "libertahhh!! Libertaahhh!! Libertaaahh!!" motherfuckers never want Ted back?
Well, what's wrong?
Doesn't his creepiness fall within their infinite goalposts for "free speech"?
Storm was plenty creepy, and they thought that was adorable and charming.
Are you suggesting you approve of something Obama did?
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