China Lands Rover on the Dark Side of the Moon

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    China lands on the Dark side of the Moon, yet we can't build The Wall, but Putin says to Trump, Wish You Were Here as they Meddle in our elections,and Dinner calls Muslims Animals, yet Bernie Sanders seems to have the Pulse of the country, and A Delicate Sound of Thunder comes before the storm, but it all feels like an Endless River of shit to me.

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    The CNS logo is oddly reminscent of the Federation emblem... :chris:
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    FAKE NEWS! :shakefist: Rover is right here chilling on the beach. This is incontrovertible proof that the whole shebang is being filmed on a sound stage in a remote Nevada desert location - just like the Hindenburg airship disaster. :brood:

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    Kudos and congrats to the Chinese- they're doing good things.

    Realistically speaking, they haven't yet got to where we were 50 years ago when we put people on the moon.

    Chinese will really begin to impress me when they build their lunar base, and successfully land robotic craft on Mars on a semi-regular basis. I don't think most people appreciate how hard the latter is to do, given the 8 plus (it varies) minute one-way signal delay which means there can't be any effective control from Earth during the re-entry/landing maneuver. It has to be programmed to work automatically, and it has to work 100% right the first time, or you lose the payload and the mission is a bust.
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    Well, good on them. But, objectively, it isn't that big a deal.

    We've very thoroughly mapped the moon from orbit, and landed probes in many places on its surface...to say nothing of the three times we orbited crews around it (Apollo 8, 10, and 13), and the six times we landed astronauts on it (Apollo 11, 12, 14-17) as well. Several other countries have had orbiters or landers.

    First lander on the far side of the moon? Okay. It is a first. But just about anywhere you land on the moon will make you the first in that spot. :shrug:
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    Well, except that the surface on that side of the moon has the potential to be dramatically different than the near side. The far side gets hit with more material from space than the near side. There's likely to be a lot more cosmic dust there than on the near side. It's also a bit of a technological achievement as well. When the US and the Soviet Union were at the height of the space race, neither attempted to land a probe on the far side. Jack Schmidt, of Apollo 17, wanted to put down on the far side, but the brass at NASA vetoed it.

    Another way of looking at this is that this is only their second rover on the moon, and they picked a more ambitious option than either the US or Russia are presently doing. That's kind of notable. I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't where they decided to put their first or second manned mission. Like the Catholic Church, the Chinese think in centuries, and they're in this for the long haul.
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    A fair point.
    Probably prudent to reject the additional risk. With no line of sight to the Earth, a crew on the far side would be relying on communications relayed to Earth via the orbiting command module.
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    When Schmidt proposed it they knew that there wouldn't be another manned mission for at least 30 years. Not risking the crew when you know there's going to be another mission fairly soon makes sense. When you're not going to get another human there for several decades, it kinda makes more sense to just go balls out.
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    Risk vs. reward. By that point, we had at least seen the back side of the Moon. If there had been something compelling there, it might've been worthwhile. It's not like there was a shortage of places to explore on the side facing the Earth.
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    But we knew we weren't going back for 30+ years. Might as well go for broke.
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    I'm not sure it was a given that we wouldn't be back for so long. But, even so, why take a risk for no apparent reward, especially when there were still plenty of sites on the near side to explore?

    Yes, you might find something unexpected on the far side. But you might find something unexpected on the near side, as well. :shrug:
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    It was absolutely known. Nixon killed all missions past 17 once he took office. The only reason we got Skylab and the few missions to it was because we'd already paid for the hardware (ie the capsules and the rockets, Skylab was an assemblage of hardware NASA had laying around that they could cannibalize for the purpose).
    One might as well say, "Why explore the moon when there's so much on Earth, like the oceans, that we haven't explored?

    It's the moon. Every mission found something unexpected. To put it in perspective, the moon is almost the size of Africa and the Apollo astronaut missions barely covered an area the size of Cape Town. For any one of them to have found nothing unexpected would be, brace yourself, unexpected.
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    No surprise I land at same place as Paladin about Apollo 17 - that is, if any of our men had died in the effort to land on the far side I've little doubt the vast majority of Americans would view the "achievement" as not having been worth the risk. So I wouldn't have supported it in the first place, albeit knowing the little about this topic that I know relative to experts.
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    Maybe the Chinese will find the Grey’s base on the dark side of the moon and expose the truth!
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    I'm just glad someone is doing this shit. I'd rather it was us, and maybe the Chinese efforts will spur our own, but come on . . . let's get out there and do some shit already.
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    It makes me angry the way he killed legitimate functions like the space program, but then created that EPA monstrosity.
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    Well in the early 1970s it was not a given that the U.S. wouldn't be back on the moon for decades. Many people, including a bunch in NASA thought the space shuttles would start flying in just a few years and with them flying cheaply, reliably and regularly, the U.S. would certainly put spacecraft up that could travel to the moon for much less than the Saturn V launched missions.
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    Here's the plaque from the Apollo 17 LEM. Does it sound like they thought we were going to be back?

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    And the NASA brass knew that the shuttle wasn't going to be as cheap and as capable as what Nixon had them tell Congress. But they had no other choice, it was either lie to Congress so that they'd get the shuttle, or tell the truth, and have no manned program at all.
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