Cleanup on aisle five! Walmart shooting incident

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  1. oldfella1962

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    Appears that the guy was a disgruntled employee. Which begs the question - if you are a happy employee, are you "gruntled?" Talk amongst yourselves!

    Seriously though my son works at a Walmart right down the road from me. Nobody working there seems to unhappy and the management treats employees very well. There are two old guys (brothers?) working there that look like Cotton Hill from King Of The Hill - one even has a limp like he's missing his shins too!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...ployees-identified/ar-AAF4zZD?ocid=spartandhp
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    On a somewhat unrelated topic, a couple months ago I was in Helen. I saw a guy there, that did walk like Cotton Hill, and he was short too. When I got closer to him, he didn't have any feet. His legs ended half down his shins and he walked on the stubs.
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    but did he "kill fitty men" in WWII? :chris:
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    I doubt it, he looked about 35 at the most.
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    So he killed fitty men in the sandbox? :chris: Not worth being shinless for the rest of your life. Unless of course you are a pro baseball player and you can be "Shinless Joe Jackson" which would be pretty damn cool if you ask me.
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    Could've been Cotton America.

    *runs*
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    that varies widely. people in management (from Dept managers on up) generally get treated like shit, under intense pressure and never good enough. For the rest, it varies given what sort of management team you have. The assistant managers rotate departments on a six month rotation and in our store, we knew to dread when certain AM's rotated into our area and who to look forward to.
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    Which shooting is this? The one from a few days ago or the one that's happening right now in El Paso, TX?

    You Americans are so cute with your guns. I get confused about your mass shootings.
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    Oh, please. Did you watch the video I posted? The dumbass was carrying her phone while law enforcement was yelling "hands up!"

    You want to know the quickest way to die in an active shooter incident? Not from the nice American citizen who's just trying to exercise his second amendment rights, but by not keeping your hands clear and holding something that can be mistaken for a firearm. :blink:
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    I'm not a trained police officer, but I'm fairly certain phones don't look like guns, even in the heat of the moment.

    For one thing, guns don't tend to have a screen on one side or be held in a totally different manner. They also have a barrel and usually a handgrip.

    I'm sure someone out there has come up with a gun that looks like a phone. I'm also pretty certain that gun can't penetrate body armor.
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    I am trained, and you'd be wrong.

    Anyone else with experience on the board want to weigh in? @Elwood?
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    Of course, I am coming from a culture where the mindset that everyone is out to shoot you isn't considered natural, even to police.
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    Fortunately, I am too. Although I fear my culture is changing. :(
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    Dude, it's America. In case you haven't noticed, the cops tend to shoot people whether they're carrying something in their hands or not. She was in a panicked situation and was streaming so that her friends and family would know what happened to her, there's no way that she was thinking rationally. She was just running for her life while experiencing sheer terror. Few people in such a situation could keep enough of their wits about them under such circumstances to pay attention enough to know that the person yelling at them was a cop and what he was saying. If it were easy, military boot camps wouldn't take as long as they do.
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    In any event, the best thing you can do in ANY emergency situation is get out of the way first responders, keep quiet and keep your hands clear.
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    :lol: You got me there.
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    Actually, @Tuckerfan... I'm going to take you to task a bit on your stance.

    The fact that someone's survival instinct is overruled by an instinct to film something should be very concerning to society. It shouldn't require police or military training to understand that your first priority and course of action in any emergency situation is to GET THE FUCK OUT and GET TO SAFETY.

    I'm not in any way criticizing the kids at Parkland who were trapped in classrooms or other areas that were texting/tweeting, etc. That's completely understandable and, in fact, valuable intelligence to law enforcement. I'm talking about people who are filming while being evacuated or running for their life. Jesus wept. It's more important that you stay alive and tell the tale afterward, rather than having a recording that will show what happened to you because you're a Darwin Award candidate.

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    Which do you think she has more experience with: Running for her life because there's a lunatic firing a gun? Or using her phone to alert her friends and family that she's in a sticky situation (like her date turned out to be a jerk and she needs someone to rescue her)?

    I do not know how I'd react in a mass-shooter type of situation (and I hope I never have to find out), but I'm not going to condemn someone for what they did, unless they're a trained professional who didn't follow their training (and thus allowed more people to be killed/injured). It might be fun to PALATR from a distance, but until one is actually in the kind of situation this woman was, they don't know how they'd react.
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    I was a Walmart Department Manager for about five years. I survived in part due to the parting advice from the store manager to me about surviving (if not exactly thriving) at Walmart.

    On one of his last days he told me. The District Manager (the big shot over 8-10 stores who toured the store about twice a month) doesn't give a damn about the sales in your departments. He has probably 100 department managers in all his stores combined so he never has enough time to pay attention to how your sales are going. But above all keep your department looking good. When he comes through he might have one minute to glance at your department. If it is clean, organized and well stocked he's simply going to keep going and find problems somewhere else.
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    I'd be more concerned if it didn't mean that a shitton of stuff that in years gone would have been overlooked by the world actually gets out there these days.
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    Where was it overruled? She was running, wasn't she? She wasn't standing there taking selfies while posing with the bodies of victims. By your logic, one should drop everything, including the gun that they might be carrying which they could use to take down the shooter, and just run.

    Again, if she's used to using her phone to get her out of sticky situations (like a bad date), then her instinct is probably going to direct her to use her phone in this kind of situation because she's done so in the past. And if you don't think that a woman's had to use her phone to extricate her from a situation which she thinks is dangerous on multiple occasions, then I suggest that you talk with your female friends about the subject. I'd be willing to bet that all of them have.
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  25. Elwood

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    Police are no longer trained to setup a perimeter and wait for SWAT. That has been proven, time and again, to cost lives. Police will now individually assault the building as they arrive on scene with one mission and one mission only. Seek out, engage, and eliminate the threat.

    It is as close to a "shoot first, ask questions later" situation as you're going to get in civilian law enforcement. Within the context of this type of situation, Police aren't going to ask you to comply. They are going to shoot. That's one reason I don't want schools to arm teachers. Lets be real honest for a moment. Lets say the school Principal is trying to be a hero and he's pulled his pistol out of his desk drawer. If I round the corner on him, all I'm going to see is a man with a gun in an Active Shooter situation. He's getting two 5.56mm rounds in the chest, center of mass, and I will repeat until he's no longer a threat because I'm not going to give away any element of surprise or cover I have by challenging him and giving him a chance to surrender.

    In an Active Shooter situation, threats will be engaged and neutralized. If you're a victim, don't do anything to make responders think you may be a threat. It won't end well for you.
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    It's somewhat implied, but do you feel this is a good or bad policy?

    I can see the optics of "cops hanging back waiting for SWAT while people died!!" but at the same time my own culture abhors "cops shot the wrong man" because cops should NOT be shooting unless they are highly trained and all other options have been exhausted.

    It was a Brit that created Judge Dredd. As a PARODY.
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    I'm on the fence, but maybe not in a way you'd imagine. I'm absolutely in favor of assaulting the building as you arrive on scene. It's been proven, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that setting up a perimeter and waiting on SWAT has cost innocent lives. On the flip side, I've never heard of any innocent person being harmed by the police when assaulting the building individually.

    There are at least a couple dozen variables just off the top of my head that would influence my decision to shoot without identifying myself or challenging someone. It's all about information. For instance, in my own example, I know the Principals of all of our schools. They know me. If I saw one with a gun, I wouldn't immediately engage them.

    But, Police training now includes what used to be SWAT specific. Small unit tactics are now a focus. You can take someone from the Municipal PD and Sheriff's Office and they are going to have the same training and know the same drills. They're going to know how to stack on a corner or how to stack on a door to clear a room.
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    not a cop, just military but allow me to weigh in: when guns are involved you don't have minutes to react - you may not even have seconds - you might be dealing in milliseconds! Thus you don't have the luxury of time to figure out if that is a phone or a gun in someone's hand. Factor in adrenaline (it tends to cloud your reasoning ability) and if you think a cop will easily see that "it's only a phone" in your hand and react according you are one dumb motherfucker. All that college :dayton: but no common sense! Matthunter you need to stay in your British academia world where you won't get hurt. :no:
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    so how exactly does shooting people in a Walmart address...…..hell......any issues to be honest? :unsure: I don't understand this shit-stain's thought process at all. Oh I guess you have to be :unuts: or something.