Color me surprised and in total disbelief - church leader is a diddler

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  1. oldfella1962

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...es-through-california-congregation/ar-AACuPbc

    :brood: Of course the faithful pray for the charges to be dropped against dear leader :smitten: but not for the welfare of the innocent victims. :zzz:But hey, that's the way Jeebus and the gang did it back in the day I guess!
    You can be a sexual deviant as long as you ensure that the women in your congregation dress modestly! :yes:
    You have to have priorities & standards or chaos ensues!
    BTW if the prosecutor has an 18 page report he probably has enough info for a slam-dunk case or he wouldn't have pursued it. Now the tricky part - getting people to testify & cooperate with law enforcement!

    The longer I live the more I start to think that "faith" is a type of mental defect/mental illness. Faith preys on the desperate/confused and empowers the cunning.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Ah, your first day on Planet Earth? How long you plan on staying?
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  3. Dayton Kitchens

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    you know, I'm sure if you researched it you would find there are countless sexual predators that have never darkened the door of a church in their lives.
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  4. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 light & lethal

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    For quite a while if I find a good church to join! :hail:
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    you missed the point. Are those predators duping thousands of people into "looking the other way" and covering for them thus enabling their sexual crimes?
    Are they putting on a front of pious morally superior behavior while secretly committing their sex crimes?
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  6. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father

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    No doubt in my mind. What I was taking issue with was your last two sentences.
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    "taste the rainbow!" :lol: And yet again, the church uses their own "internal justice system" (god knows best!) rather than use the godless actual justice system (a tool of Satan!) and circles the wagons for one of their own kind.

    I think in the bible Jesus said "if god is with you, who can stand against you?"
    So I guess taken to year 2019 extremes it should be "who can stand against you? Not the district attorney, nor the local police, nor outraged infidels shall prevent you performing your holy task of sexually exploiting your brothers in Christ!" :brood:

    Anyway thanks Fruitloop - a great example of a degree of mental malfunctioning when you accept sexual deviancy (or what you would normally consider sexual deviancy if a carnival worker did it) only when it is cloaked in authority from god. It's like the brain short-circuits and all reason flies out the window and epic rationalization takes place and what you know is wrong becomes right when the god caveat is invoked.

    It's like dealing with somebody drunk or on drugs or undergoing mental illness - they cannot recognize that their own behavior/thought patterns are not
    reflecting that of a functioning mind. And a roomful of drunks can only talk themselves into trouble.....not out of trouble. :no:

    Fuck that - I'll take reality straight on/full strength without any filters or delusions or wishful thinking that can lead me down a path of inevitable disappointment. Just sayin'
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    The only reason to use church law and punishment over the law of the land which has severe lifelong punishment for raping children is because they want to protect child rapists from legitimate punishment. What can the church impose on a person who rapes a child? About the best they can do is shame if the person really believes in the scripture. The legal system can impose jail time, probation, surveillance, and imposes a life long sentence of having to advertise you are a sexual predator to your community. The sexual predator list is more shame than the church imposes when they cover up rapes by their people and don't let the community know. The use of religious protections for the church to obstruct justice is not the purpose of the protections afforded to them from government persecution. Especially when there is no church doctrine which excuses child rape to begin with.
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    NAMBLA wishes they thought up the Christian God.
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    Yes, but the Christian church has the highest ratio of sexual predators of any organization out there. This is not to mention all those good people who hand their children over to the predators in what should be an accomplice role to sexual molestation of children. How many preists did you hand your daughter over to mr. Kitchens?
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    Yep! You said it Tererun. In the US in 2019 (where you won't get locked up or executed just for being a Christian/Jew/Muslim etc.) the only reason for having your own self contained system is to get one over on John Law. That's it, full stop. A church doesn't want to pay taxes? Fair enough, lots of organizations use that loophole. But sexual predation? Sorry, thanks for playing, now get the fuck into prison if convicted. Granted the guilt falls on the sicko(s) committing child porn crimes or any other such crimes. If the church wants to "support" the guy that's their right. But if church members know something that can help nail the guy but they won't talk? Subpoena their asses! :yes:

    The last time I checked the US was founded on separation of church & state. The church (any church) is not above the law. They want their own justice system? If I start a religion can we have our own justice system? Howzabout my religion says any clergy from any church commits rape or pedo stuff we stone them almost to death, then tie them to the top of their vehicle and park it in from of the local TV news studio and let them (and the public at large) figure out what it's all about.

    Is it mass hypnosis that accounts for nearly an entire church (or entire religion actually in some cases!) losing all sense of right & wrong when horrific crimes are tolerated with enthusiasm?
    Sorry but that is my personal definition of evil.
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    What amazes me is how many church members would be livid if you suggested letting their kids hang out with that weirdo Michael Jackson! :drama: But let them go to a church sleepover? What could possibly go wrong? :shrug:
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  14. Tererun

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    At least MJ paid the parents. It does not make it right, but it makes more sense to me than donating large sums of cash every week to pay for the priest to sleep with your kids. That is some insane reverse pimpin right there to get people to pay you to molest their children.
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  15. Dayton Kitchens

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    Separation of church and state is not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution.
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  16. Minsc&Boo

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    Treaties and take higher presidence over state laws.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
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  17. Tererun

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    Yes's it is you moron.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

    That means they are separate since congress can neither respect or prohibit, by law, the practice of religion. It is not absolute as you cannot use religion to step over established laws, but it is there.

    Got any other lies for us?
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    Bottom line any criminal or immoral sexual activity from church leaders should be only a tiny fraction of what it is among the general population. Church leaders should be the epitome of resisting temptation, righteous behavior, a close relationship to god, steeped in maturity and dignity, aware of their great and holy responsibility toward their congregation. What good is devoting years of study in god's word and constant prayers for guidance if you end up being a serial sexual predator? We aren't talking about little white lies or fudging a little on your taxes or enjoying a little booze or whatever.....sexually exploiting children and weak willed vulnerable adults on a continual basis should be something so rare as to be virtually unheard of. Yet it's so widespread it's accepted as nothing surprising. What's wrong with this picture?
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    Not much when you consider the whole thing is based on magical fictional stories that are simply not true, aka lies. When you see the truth that god is not around making people behave morally, and the world does not work in benefit of good over evil, the entire point of being good to please someone who isn't there becomes inherently pointless. You are not told to be good because it is who you are, or there is some benefit to you. You are being told do it or else, and the rules are often conflicting. It was like you were saying about god telling you to kill your kid. They say hold your family in high esteem, but if you hear voices telling you they are god commanding you to kill them all to show your faith, then off the assholes because the supposedly same person who told you they were important is now telling you to kill them.

    Is it any wonder people shift over to their own wants and desires when confronted with that sort of crazy? Then there is the reality you never have to face the victims of your actions to get forgiveness because you can confess in private to Jesus or the church and all is forgiven and you get the same reward as the guy who spent all his life living decently. On top of that anyone would have to recognize the reality that god and gods are stories told by man who can be wrong. What if god was playing a joke on us all by influencing those men to write down false words and claims? It seems that might be the case since the Bible is so terribly wrong about basic facts.
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    From your own link, emphasis mine.

    The Treaty is often cited, in discussions regarding the role of religion in United States government, for a clause in Article 11 of the English language American version which states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." A superseding treaty, the Treaty of Peace and Amity signed on July 4, 1805, omitted this phrase
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    You are arguing a stupid point which has been done to death and you are only spouting debunked and completely refuted arguments. Just because you say it again does not make it any more valid than the last time you were smashed for saying it.
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    Even if this post is taken at face value it does not in any way make the case that the US is founded on Christianity, merely that a clause stating it was not was superseded.
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    Is jerry Falwell jr. going to hell for supporting a SVU evil oerson and mike pence for his vp??
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    whatever it was founded on is moot really - here we are in 2019 and churches have the option of handling major sex crimes "in house" instead of through the proper channels......must be nice. Tell me this isn't one step away from Sharia law! :shakefist:

    You want your own traditions and sub-culture? By all means! But when these break the laws of the land (and moral codes of pretty much every human being on the planet!) you shouldn't be able to "opt out" of going to prison. :nono: So again, why does our leadership (across the board) tolerate this? :shrug:
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    I have to say that's a particularly awful state of affairs.

    Sex crimes are the business of law enforcement and any organisation which suspects it should do everything in their power to cooperate with the police. By all means impose additional sanctions of your own (excommunication, etc) but the idea that church leaders are in some manner exempt is abhorrent and labels the church as being a potential safe haven for offenders.
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    one of the perks of being "god's special helpers" I guess. :shrug:
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    I'll be honest I hadn't realised that till you told me a while back. Fucking disgusting.
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    That's not the issue and it doesn't mean what you think it means. Superseding the Treaty of Tripoli and omitting that phrase doesn't automatically mean that the US suddenly changed course and started to believe that the US was indeed founded on the Christian religion.

    Think about this: The Treaty of Tripoli was unanimously ratified by the Senate, which was composed of several Founding Fathers, while it had the key phrase contained within it. That should tell you something.
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    Dayton's logic is the equivalent of a parent that has to tell their kids "go upstairs, take off your clothes, turn on the shower, get in the shower, wash yourself all over with soap, wash your hair with shampoo, rinse off the shampoo and soap, turn off the shower, dry yourself off, put on your pajamas, and go to bed", and the one night you leave out the soap and shampoo, they deliberately skip it.

    A shower means soap and shampoo forever.
    You only need to say "we're not a country of Jesus nuts", once, forever.
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