Dayton Gets All Mass Shootery

Someone who was on the scene posted that someone managed to get the gun off the shooter and then he (the shooter) was killed, though whether by whoever grabbed the gun or others isn't clear.

@Dan Leach I'd like to know where this guy gets his numbers.

Canada's number should be zero. Thankfully, there have been no "mass shootings" in 2019. There have been multiple homicides, but not a situation where a guy targets a crowded area and just kills randomly.

It's not helped that some sources refer to the homicides as "sprees", which conjures the random killer image. He may be referring to Penicton or Salmon Arm Church - the former was actually targeted at the shooter's ex-wives. The latter may be random but the victim was known to the shooter.

I wouldn't classify either as "mass shootings".

There was a kid just last week who killed his entire family just north of Toronto. That was a tragedy and mass murder, but again, not what I would classify as a "mass shooting".

Isn't four the minimum number of people to qualify as a "mass" shooting or murder?

Penticton would count on that basis.

I'm not named after "Dayton, Ohio" in any way whatsoever. No member of my family has ever been there or to Ohio for that matter. Basically aside from Arkansas my family has links to Texas, Oklahoma, Indiana, and Washington.

Unless it happened in the U.S. Then you would classify it that way, because it fits your agenda.

Tererun totally jinxed it with her "FUCK OHIO" thread! Also these guys can do an updated version of "Ohio" with a few simple lyric tweaks!

what...too soon?

If it happens at a church, then, technically, it is a "mass" shooting no matter how many people are involved.

This.

pretty much makes sense, just as a"hate crime" is all about intent and motivation.

Motives and ... degree of targeting involved, maybe?

For instance ... Situation 1, a guy goes to his ex-wife's house and shoots her, their three children, and his ex-wife's new boyfriend. Situation 2, a guy goes to his ex-wife's workplace and shoots her, then shoots three of her co-workers and a customer on his way out of the building.

Same number of casualties, but Situation 2 fits what most people would think of as a mass shooting and Situation 1 doesn't.

I would agree with that. Even spraying bullets at rival drug dealers but accidentally hitting large numbers of nearby residents would not be a "mass shooting" in my book.
Randomly shooting to make a political statement is indeed a "mass shooting" in my book. It's also "domestic terrorism" falling under the umbrella of "terrorism" as well.

We also have to realize that guy got his 249 number probably from an outfit that is anti-gun and they have an incentive to have a high number to make guns look bad.

So these gun organizations count any shooting in which 3-4 people are shot and/or killed as a mass shooting. So they include things like gang shootings and family murders in order to deceive the public.

Of course what these anti-gun groups do not ever want to point out that is if we accept their numbers of mass shootings as fact that means the majority of mass shooters in America are young black males.

Here's an interesting Snopes article on it: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shootings-in-2018/

that's why there should a consensus about the definition of "mass shooting". Two things will not go away - young black males shooting young black males and white males shooting.....pretty much everyone depending on their manifesto. We can't have it both ways depending on our particular agenda!
We either go with total numbers of shooting fatalities (pick a number, any number, let's say five for argument's sake) in any incident or motivation/intent in any incident and no mixing & matching/juggling the numbers to prove our points.

Either way dead from a bullet = dead from a bullet no matter how you slice it.

Doesn't really matter though when it's weighed against a lot of zeroes. As long as the criteria are applied consistently then you can't get round the fact those 3-4 person shootings don't seem to happen elsewhere.

Whether a gang related shooting is a "mass shooting" or not doesn't really influence the clear take home. If we were talking about figures where we had to look at the statistical significance to decide whether they were meaningful I'd agree that categorisation effects were worth exploring, but where we are talking about a contrast so absolute?

Here's a better analogy:

Situation 1: a guy goes to his ex-wife's house, shoots her, their three children and his his ex-wife's boyfriend.

Situation 2: a guy goes to a shopping mall and begins shooting people because reasons. There is no personal or professional connection whatsoever between the shooter and victims.

Both situations are technically "mass shootings" but unfortunately American society has come to the point where even these need to be differentiated.

Situation 1 was targeted and there has been ample research and study on these types of incidents. Warning signs are generally straightforward and easy to detect.

Situation 2 was not targeted at specific individuals, but may have been targeted at a specific group (e.g., women or minorities) or may have been completely random. The research on these types of incidents is relatively new and the warning signs aren't always straightforward and easy to detect. Often, attempting to catch the perpetrators of these incidents BEFORE they happen involves onerous surveillance efforts and some people may even view the methods as breaching civil liberties.

The bottom line is that "mass shooting" is a woefully inadequate description in 2019.

What a load of shit.

Yes, young black males commit the most Murders in the US., but people don’t want to talk about that because the Anna’s of the world think cops are racist and target black people when in fact cops are concentrated in high crime areas, areas where crime is high is mostly in black neighborhoods.

Bar shooter shot and killed his sister at the bar.

It's possible this is a family issue and the asshole just decided to take it out on other innocents at the bar as well as his sister.

You deliberately use my name in a thread title.

What does that say about what you love?

I thought your username was Tracker?

I'd ask you to dispute the numbers if I thought you could count beyond 24 on both feet.

You're an idiot.

Are you @Dayton3 or @Tracker? Don’t hit “dumb” rep this time and answer.