FBI admits it setup Michael Flynn. DOJ drops case against him.

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  1. Zombie

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    DOJ Drops Case Against Michael Flynn After Considering ‘Newly Discovered and Undisclosed Information’

    “The Government has concluded that the interview of Mr. Flynn was untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn.”

    The Department of Justice dropped its case against former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. He pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI two years ago:

    The decision came days after prosecutors turned over documents to Mr. Flynn that his lawyers said was evidence that the government tried to set him up in the early 2017 interview at issue.

    In a motion to dismiss the case, the Justice Department said: “The Government has concluded that the interview of Mr. Flynn was untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn.”

    A treasure trove of documents released in April gave off hints that the FBI set up Flynn.

    Documents showed that disgraced FBI Agent Peter Strzok ordered the FBI to reopen its case against Flynn after the agency closed it. The investigative team closed the case after the agents “determined that [Flynn] was no longer a viable candidate as part of the larger CROSSFIRE HURRICANE umbrella case.”

    Other documents had hand-written questions that look like the agents wanted to use their interview with Flynn “to get him to lie.”



    These documents influenced the DOJ to drop its case:

    The announcement came in a court filing, with the department saying it is dropping the case “after a considered review of all the facts and circumstances of this case, including newly discovered and disclosed information.” The DOJ said it had concluded that Flynn’s interview by the FBI was “untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn” and that the interview was “conducted without any legitimate investigative basis.”

    The federal judge overseeing the case would have to make the final determination to dismiss the case.
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    :dayton: There was no set up. Asking the question, “What is our goal?" is part of every investigation. It means they wouldn't proceed unless they had a solid case untainted by any bias. It would have been improper not to question the goal of the investigation.
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    Who run's the DOJ at the moment? Oh yeah, trump's left nut come to life. I am sure there is no corruption there at all.

    @Zombie has acheived a new level of mental regression.
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    The DOJ said it had concluded that Flynn’s interview by the FBI was “untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn” and that the interview was “conducted without any legitimate investigative basis.”

    The FBI under Comey knew what it was doing.

    I borrowed this from the site at the link. It was good enough to copy but it's not mine so credit to it's author: "Well, he’s got his reputation back. But he’s lost three years of his life, a potential political career that it’s probably too late to restart, a ton of money, and it can’t have done his health any good. The financial loss can and should be made whole by a big fat compensation payment. And Trump should immediately appoint him to a senior White House position. But the real test of whether justice will be done is to see whether criminal charges will be brought against those who set him up. Because this only happened for one reason: to get him out of the way lest he torpedo the plot against the President." - Milhouse

    I do believe that criminal charges are going to start coming in the next couple of months.

    The plotters have Durham chasing them and he will bring charges against them.
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    Maybe they will find hillary's email server in BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!! with Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.

    What a sad little man you are.
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    Agency headed by man with tongue lodged up Trump's arse drops charges against Trump flunky over case that makes Trump's election seem iffy.

    What. Are. The. Chances?
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    The DOJ case is still open.
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    So in summary, the FBI did not setup Flynn, and the DOJ did not drop the case.
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    FBI did set up Flynn.

    DOJ has dropped the case. You can read the DOJ's own words: "The United States of America hereby moves to dismiss with prejudice the criminal information filed against Michael T. Flynn pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 48(a). The Government has determined, pursuant to the Principles of Federal Prosecution and based on an extensive review and careful consideration of the circumstances, that continued prosecution of this case would not serve the interests of justice. "

    You two idiots really think a federal judge is going to tell the DOJ that it must prosecute Flynn after it files a motion to drop the case?

    At this point the judges final determination is only a formality.
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    Especially if he's a GOP appointee.
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    And you think that the fact that DOJ is currently led by hand-picked Trump toadies has nothing to do with it, right?
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    Same chances that Hillary Clinton wouldn't be prosecuted for her crimes.
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    This is a pardon using other means. :jayzus:
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    And is supposed to get them approved by the House, except he's been loopholing it by only putting acting members in.

    Barr notably relied on a flunky prosecutor himself to sign the motion to drop the case:

    Be interesting to see what Judge Sullivan makes of this, given he accused Flynn of selling out America - he can at minimum hold an inquiry and delay suspension until the DOJ adequately explains the U-turn. While ultimately that won't stop the dropping of the case by the DOJ, he could refuse to allow Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea and charge him directly.
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    It’s funny that you think Barr of all the people in the administration is a toadie.

    He’s already been Attorney General, he’s rich and had a nice cushy high paying job in the private sector. He didn't have to take this job. He saw the bullshit that was happening and decided it was wrong and that's why he took the job. Did you see him during the campaign? No. Have your heard him at all since being AG cheerleader anything about Trump? No.

    The man is going to put a stop to the bullshit that happened to Trump and the office of the presidency.

    You not liking Trump doesn't mean that he and his campaign weren't spied on. It doesn't mean that people in the previous administration were were working to destroy Trump before he took office. It doesn't mean that people in the three letter agenices weren't trying to to wreck Trump even after he took office.

    Flynn was setup. Forget Barr. Look at the facts.

    The FBI by it's own admission went to close the case on Flynn. Who kept the case open? Peter Strzok. Also in the process of telling the investigators to not close the case he told them the "7th floor" was involved in that decision to keep it open. In FBI talk the "7th floor" is the top of the FBI building and refers to the Director of the FBI and the Deputy Director of the FBI. In other words Comey and McCabe.

    Some of the questions by Catherine Herridge from CBS interviewing Barr:

    Q: All of that said, General Flynn pled guilty to lying to federal investigators during his interview in January of 2017. And Flynn admitted in court, quote, his “false statements and omissions impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI’s ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals with the campaign and Russia’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.” Does the fact remain that General Flynn lied to federal investigators?


    BARR: Well to constitute a false statement, you need two things. One, you need a false statement, lie. And then it has to be material to a legitimate investigation. And I think on the question of lying, it’s as Comey, Director Comey said just a few months after this episode, he said it was a closed question. And that, while you might make that argument, it was a very closed question.

    But it’s on the question of materiality that we feel really that a crime cannot be established here because there was not, in our view, a legitimate investigation going on. They did not have a basis for a counterintelligence investigation against Flynn at that stage, based on a perfectly legitimate and appropriate call he made as a member of the transition. So.

    Let me just also say that when he pled, the issue of materiality is related to whether the government has a bona fide investigation going on. And that’s information that’s really within the control of the government. The individual party would really not have that information. So as new information just became available that has a bearing on whether there was a legitimate investigation, that requires us, our duty, we think is to dismiss the case.


    ♦ Q: Does the new evidence show that the counterintelligence case against General Flynn was simply left open to lay a trap for lying?


    BARR: Yes. Essentially.

    They had started a counterintelligence investigation during the summer, as you know, related to the campaign. But in December, the team, the Crossfire Hurricane team, was closing that and determined they had found nothing to justify continuing with that investigation against Flynn.

    On the very day they prepared the final papers, the seventh floor, that is the director’s office and the deputy director’s office up there, sent down word they should keep that open. So that they could try to go and question Flynn about this call he had with the Russian ambassador.

    Let me say that, at that point, he was the designated national security adviser for President-Elect Trump, and was part of the transition, which is recognized by the government and funded by the government as an important function to bring in a new administration. And it is very typical, very common for the national security team of the incoming president to communicate with foreign leaders.

    And that call, there was nothing wrong with it whatever. In fact, it was laudable. He– and it was nothing inconsistent with the Obama administration’s policies. And it was in U.S. interests. He was saying to the Russians, you know, “Don’t escalate.” And they asked him if he remembered saying that, and he said he didn’t remember that.

    Q: What should Americans take away from your actions in the Flynn case today?

    BARR: Well, as I said in my confirmation hearing, one of the reasons I came back is because I was concerned that people were feeling there were two standards of justice in this country. And that the political and that the justice, or the law enforcement process was being used to play political games. And I wanted to make sure that we restore confidence in the system. There’s only one standard of justice. And I believe that this case, that justice in this case requires dismissing the charges against General Flynn.

    Q: After the election? Okay. You talk about the importance of timing in this decision. What was the evidence that helped you decide this issue?

    BARR: I think a very important evidence here was that this was not a bona fide counterintelligence investigation – was that they were closing the investigation in December. They started that process. And on January 4th, they were closing it.

    And that when they heard about the phone call, which is – the FBI had the transcripts too – there’s no question as to what was discussed. The FBI knew exactly what was discussed. And General Flynn, being the former director of the DIA, said to them, you know, “You listen, you listen to everything. You know, you know what was said.”

    So there was no mystery about the call. But they initially tried some theories of how they could open another investigation, which didn’t fly. And then they found out that they had not technically closed the earlier investigation. And they kept it open for the express purpose of trying to catch, lay a perjury trap for General Flynn.

    They didn’t warn him, the way we usually would be required by the Department. They bypassed the Justice Department. They bypassed the protocols at the White House and so forth. These were things that persuaded me that there was not a legitimate counterintelligence investigation going on.

    Q: You know you’re gonna take a lot of incoming, as they say in the military, for this decision. Are you prepared for that?


    BARR: Yeah, I’m prepared for that. I also think it’s sad that nowadays these partisan feelings are so strong that people have lost any sense of justice. And the groups that usually worry about civil liberties and making sure that there’s proper procedures followed and standards set seem to be ignoring it and willing to destroy people’s lives and see great injustices done.

    Q: Before we just move onto to a couple of off-topic questions, the last thing most Americans remember about General Flynn is that he resigned, was fired. And that he admitted lying to the FBI. Does the fact remain that he lied?

    BARR: Well, you know, people sometimes plead to things that turn out not to be crimes. And as I said, the question of lying, you know, it’s something he would know about. On its face, as Director Comey said, it’s not so clear. But the question of materiality is not something he would know about. That’s something that the government knows about. And we have now gotten into it, drilled down, obtained new information. And the Department of Justice is not persuaded that this was material to any legitimate counterintelligence investigation. So it was not a crime.

    Q: And later this year, do you expect a report from U.S. Attorney John Durham? Or do you expect indictments?

    BARR: Well, as you know, I’m not gonna predict the outcome. But I said that we’re certainly — there probably will be a report as a byproduct of his work. But we also are seeing if there are people who violated the law and should be brought to justice. And that’s what we have our eye on.

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    This was no pardon by other means @shootER.
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    Barr also said, when asked how history might judge his decision: "History is written by the winners", which is hardly the statement you'd expect from a man who is a paragon of blind justice and doing the right thing, no matter the consequences.

    And he smirked after saying it.

    Barr doesn't give a shit about the law. And he's Trump's toady because it got him where it needs to be to block religious laws because he's a fundy twat who thinks Christianity is at risk if it can't bash teh gayz or the trans or if other religions get equal protection.
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    The DOJ case is still open.
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    You're hateful, insane, and wrong. You're as wrong today as you've been all along. You'll be wrong again when Comey & Co. are brought to justice. And really wrong in November.
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    Maybe it wasn't Barr. Perhaps it was the MCU who dropped the case after Flynn invaded the system with tron and got his memory disk into the mainframe.
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    Sorry, I couldn't hear you with Zombie's shit in your mouth.
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    Let's not forget the myriad of other crimes Flynn pled guilty to in addition to lying to the FBI, like being an unregistered foreign agent of Turkey. I think there's a decent chance that the judge doesn't throw out the plea.
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    I don’t understand why anyone would trust the Bill Barr DOJ to appropriately handle anything connected to Trump and his minions. This administration has eroded the firewalls that held our Justice Department together for more than a generation.
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    Yeah, that Obama administration was a real boost to the credibility of the DOJ. :dayton: Just trying to keep this in perspective!
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