Fruitloop tries keto

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  1. oldfella1962

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    my gym doesn't. But then again it's just Golds Gym at 10 dollars a month so I can't complain. The only staff is personal trainers if you think you need one & want to pay for one, or the girls at the front desk who are all cute as hell! :wub: And they are really doing a lot of improvements & new equipment at my gym: flipping tires over, battle ropes, those heavy ass sleds that you push on the long strip of astro-turf, whole racks of kettle bells, etc.etc. Not many soccer moms doing Zumba or things like that either.
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    BTW I forgot to mention this:

    Oldfella tries kato and to be honest he's totally kicking my ass! :shep: He's stronger than he looks. I should have started with that older white guy he hangs around with - live and learn!

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    I just catch the yearly winter cold, that sheds a couple pounds off.
    Then after eating only soup and juice and tons of vitamin C and honey I go back to eating regular fruits and vegies.

    I am 1/2 kidding. I hate colds or being sick. Healthy eating and excersise is a much better approach.
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    See, you're not supposed to get sick.
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    Not sure I agree with those guys.
    One shouldn't overdo it, but it is important to refuel after exercise.
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    if your exercise was exceptionally long & grueling then of course you'd need to replenish yourself. Or a light protein snack after lifting would be okay too.
    Or just time your full meals so that they are right after exercise if you get better results that way.

    Interestingly some studies have been done about the "window" of taking in protein right after lifting versus getting all your protein during your normal meal times. Most studies have found no difference in strength performance or mass size (for folks into that) between the two methods.

    Just my own personal opinion, but I think the human body evolved to adapt quite well using either method.
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    I'm pretty sure that as long as you're getting your protein through your normal daily meal you'll be fine. When I was more hardcore into fitness I would simply eat my meals like normal, with the occasional protein bar post workout and I was just fine.
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    I had bariatric weight loss surgery on May 23 of 2018 and have lost 110 pounds. That's due to not just eating less, (you lose about 80% of your stomach volume) but also a combination of strictly reduced carbs and fats. Slightly different from Atkins/keto since you're also restricting fats. I was also hitting the gym 3 times a week with a resistance training and walking 1.75 miles 3 times a week. The gym work was nothing record breaking, but it was consistent. Notice past tense....in Mid January I was hit with a near-fatal case of pancreatitis (I'm assuming not everyone knows that, apologies for repeating myself). I was released after a week in the hospital, including 3 days in ICU and 2 surgeries...one to put in an emergency stent to allow the gall stone that started the trouble to clear and then gall bladder removal. Happily, since then I've been able to resume some even wimpier gym work and walking. The stent is scheduled to come out Mar 5 and hopefully that will allow me to get back into full swing.

    All that is just set up for the payoff, hopefully being able to maintain the current weight (about 30 pounds down from the avatar pic). Alcohol is not coming back. That's probably the biggest give up. I could theoretically have it, but with so little stomach mass you get a quick drunk on and then it passes...beer is permanently off the list, anyway. Carbs will be way down and so will starch, so potatoes will be strictly limited and bread will be very limited. Bread will also be very limited. I'm meeting with the dietician on Monday and hopefully, I'll get some carb, fat and calorie guidelines. It's drastic, but it's worked and I hope to be one of the success stories who can make it work, long-term.

    Anyway, I know people who have made keto work, but to me the real key is combining increased, regular exercise with sensible diet restrictions, you can lose weight without setting off other problems. Weight loss is a lot like a dog chasing the car, the dog has to figure out what to do with the car after he catches it. If you don't plan for what to do after you hit your target weight, you could find yourself back on the "up" escalator. Best of luck.
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    very sensible post and attitude! :cool: My wife's aunt had 80 percent or so of her stomach removed in an effort to lose weight. She ended up gaining back all her fat because even though her stomach held less she kept it full with sugary high calorie foods and never exercised. :jayzus:
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    Thank you! One thing that may have changed since Auntie had her surgery is that in the runup you get filled with information about the necessity for exercise and controlling your diet. I think a lot of people get the impression it's just a matter of having the surgery and forgetting about it.
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    That's "the American way" right there. Pop a pill, take a short-cut, buy the latest gadget and expect the subsequent magic to occur. :( One great example is all the testosterone propaganda on TV.
    People who buy into that shit are in for a rude awaking! Do your testosterone levels affect your strength, drive, endurance, motivation, etc? Why yes they do. Will upping your testosterone level make you 30 again? No it will not, especially if you don't put in the work & training.

    My go-to example is female fighters in the UFC. They are drug tested constantly and you can guarantee their testosterone levels are much lower than any couch potato male of any age.
    But their 135 pounds of low testosterone body will out perform 99 percent of the male population. Why? Because they are dedicated and train like demons to improve themselves. In other words they aren't afraid to "man up" and put in the hard work required! If you are a 50 years old male who increases his T level to that of a younger man but doesn't train like a younger man, you will just end up with a thinner wallet and nothing else to show for it. :lol: And if you do try to train like a younger man after years of neglecting your body (without gradually increasing your exercise intensity) you will likely injure yourself. There are no shortcuts to success, end of story. Resign yourself to determined & well planned consistency and constantly & honestly track your progress and adjust as necessary.
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    Good point on the bariatric surgery only being the start, MikeH. I was considering lipo as I really only have major fat issues around my gut and I struggle to stay on diets/exercise plans. Unfortunately, even private healthcare suppliers in the UK (yes, we have them!) won't consider you for lipo unless you have a BMI of 30 or more and at the time I was borderline. I'm currently just over that but it seems they don't offer the non-invasive type (there's a new form that doesn't involve hoovering out the fat cells but using focused microwaves to pop them) and the standard "insert tube and suck out the fat" type leaves you in 6 weeks of recovery which isn't viable.

    Anyhoo, the shake diet seems to be keeping me energized enough in the day. I didn't record my weight at the start but I was 224.2lb on 12th Jan which was the end of my failed New Year "just cut back on the booze and eat normally" diet and I know I gained weight since then as middle of last week I was up to 225-226, and today I'm 223.4lb. So something is coming off, doubt it's muscle as have gotten back up to my previous PB bench press, the protein shakes are helping with that too!
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    side note - quite a few years back about the time when I realized that I might need eye glasses I was walking down the hall here at my local hospital and thought I saw a sign saying BARBARIC CLINIC until I got closer and read it again. :lol:
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    Have you heard of "coolsculpting"? It uses coldpacks on specified areas. It's very trendy in the Boise area. The idea is that the cold kills the fat cells. I'm not vouching for it, but it might be worth checking out.
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    I hadn't, so looked on Wiki - here's the full explanation:

    Cryolipolysis is a method to remove fat by freezing.[18][19][20] The method involves controlled application of cooling within the temperature range of -11 to +5 °C for the non-invasive, localized reduction of fat deposits, intending to reshape the contours of the body.[18][19] The degree of exposure to cooling causes cell death of subcutaneous fat tissue, without apparent damage to the overlying skin.[19][21] It appears primarily applicable to limited discrete fat bulges.[18][19][22] Adverse effects include transient local redness, bruising and numbness of the skin are common side effects of the treatment and are expected to subside.[19][22] Typically sensory deficits will subside within a month. The effect on peripheral nerves was investigated and failed to show permanent detrimental results.[21]

    Based on the premise that fat cells are more easily damaged by cooling than skin cells (such as popsicle panniculitis), cryolipolysis was developed to apply low temperatures to tissue via thermal conduction.[23] In order to avoid frostbite, a specific temperature level and exposure are determined, such as 45 minutes at −10 °C (14 °F).[19][24] While the process is not fully understood, it appears that fatty tissue that is cooled below body temperature, but above freezing, undergoes localized cell death ("apoptosis") followed by a local inflammatory response that gradually over the course of several months results in a reduction of the fatty tissue layer.[19][21][24]

    Typical cost per treatment area varies depending on location. Price in the US ranges from $750 to $1,500,[25] with UK prices about £750 per area to be treated.[26] Treatment time for general use/application is 35–60 minutes per site, depending on the applicator used.[27] In the U.S., the CoolSculpting procedure is FDA-cleared for the treatment of visible fat bulges in the submental area, thigh, abdomen and flank, along with bra fat, back fat, underneath the buttocks, and upper arm. It is also FDA-cleared for use on submental area treatments.[20].


    Scientifically I get how it works, but I can see this going very wrong if not done properly. Although they say nerve function isn't affected, I've had enough freezer-burn taking stuff in and out of -80oC freezers to know you don't want it for any period of time, even if it comes back eventually.

    Though it mentions the abdomen, many of these techniques are actually for people who are not really overweight but have a bit of a bulge. Full beer-guts like mine aren't really the sort of thing that a 45 minute appointment targets.

    I do wonder if this is actually the cause of the Army "ice bath" weight loss method though. The conventional wisdom was that a long bath in icy water made you shiver and burn fat to maintain core body temp, but it could actually be having a similar apoptotic effect on the fat?
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    Update: 6.5 weeks

    Weight loss has slowed, maybe only a pound or two since the last update. And I'm feeling pretty low energy, barely able to complete my workouts. Which means something isn't right with the diet plan, but I don't know how much stricter I can get.

    Considering reversing course and adding fruits and starchy vegetables again.
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    well Matthunter this sounds crazy but it just might work - if you suspect that the primary cause of your "beer gut" is beer :chris: you can save yourself the risk of fucking yourself up (and the expense of the procedure) by strictly limiting your beer. Or perhaps setting a daily calorie limit for yourself and cutting back on other high calorie foods but still drinking the beer.
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    hmmm.....that's the catch 22 right there. You need carb energy to do the exercise required to burn calories and keep your metabolism fired up, and your hormones in balance. If you are low energy your testosterone level could be dropping. I would suggest low sugar fruits (apples versus bananas for example)
    along with the starchy vegetables. And I don't want beat a dead horse but refresh my memory - do your workouts involve a combination of cardio and heavy resistance training? I would say to if energy is an issue cut back on long draining cardio sessions and double down on the short but intense cardio and short but intense resistance training. Here's a video by Ramsey Dewey (very experience retired MMA fighter and now trainer & coach) who really knows his shit and has a good style for doing teaching videos. First video the important part starts at about 1:20 into the video.


    second video is about being overweight in general and how BMI is bullshit and whatnot.


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    I do all of the above. I'm actually having the biggest problem with short, intense burst cardio (ie, HIIT). Resistance training is mostly fine. Long, low-moderate cardio is fine.
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    HIIT is giving you trouble? Are you gassing faster than you did before keto or about the same? This is assuming you were doing HIIT before you went keto. If your HIIT is kicking your ass you are probably burning through your glycogen way faster since you have such a limited amount now. If your long & slow cardio is normal that would make sense, since you're burning mostly fat when you do that anyway. At my age (days away from 57) if I did keto and HIIT at the same time that would be super-dangerous! :shock: I'm very careful about staying injury-free.
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    Update: Two month mark, 15 lbs down

    It seems I ground through the plateau without making any major adjustments. Will continue on course.
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    awesome! Yeah those plateaus :brood: sometimes they occur because your body just hasn't had enough time to catch up, and sometimes they occur because you are doing shit wrong. :shrug:
    Always best to be patient and ride it out (within reason of course) especially as you age.
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    Update: 3 months, ~25 lbs down

    Another 15 or so and I’m golden.

    Been working out some kinks in the diet plan: weeding out all the carbs that slip in under the radar (did you know processed meats like pepperoni often have added sugar?); adding more natural fats and moderating the protein (turns out whey protein is more glycemic than white bread).
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    tuna is great protein - not very glycemic I would think.
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    Tuna, chicken, turkey, salmon are all staples on my regime. Carbs very sneaky. One thing to look for in label reading is serving sizes. The "Heart Smart" microwavable soups contain 2 servings, while the regular ones have one serving. Guess which one contains more total carbs?
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    So @Fruitloop what does your average meal consist of?
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    Here are all the ingredients I eat in typical day:

    Unprocessed meat of any animal, the fattier the better
    Cheese and dairy cream
    Eggs
    Butter (usually ghee)
    Plant oils, mostly olive and coconut
    Certain seeds (flax, hemp, chia)
    Certain nuts (macadamia, walnuts, almonds)
    One small serving of berries, usually blue
    Protein powders, pea and collagen (recently gave up the whey)
    Green, leafy vegetables (spinach, asparagus, broccoli, celery, etc)
    Low-carb fruits (tomatoes, avocados, olives, etc)
    Psyllium husk for fiber

    Other "bad" things I consume in small amounts that are still in line with the diet:

    Bacon and other processed meats (have to mind added sugar)
    Pure spirits (ie, whiskey)
    Diet drinks (have to mind the type of sweetener)
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    Fruitloop - you eat some things I've never heard of. What are the following?

    ghee butter
    flax & chia seeds
    psyllium husks

    also why does the type of sweetener in the diet drinks matter? Are there differences in how the different types function in your body? Also why did you give up whey powder? It's a good source of protein. Personally when it comes to protein shakes (I'm in a hurry some days and don't have time to prepare natural protein sources) I like Muscle Milk and Core Power. They are
    low sugar/calorie with a high protein content.

    Funny side note - a few minutes ago I was searching for something and came across a picture of myself at the beach about twenty years ago at age 37 :yuck:
    DAD BOD CITY! :no: No muscle definition, serious start of a beer gut, slight hint of moobs.......just pathetic. :no: No wonder I barely made every weigh-in! :shrug:
    Granted my cardio-vascular endurance & raw strength were greater than they are now (I was twenty years younger) but pound-for-pound I am in way better shape now.
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    Ghee is butter "clarified" so that it's pure fat, with dairy proteins etc removed.

    The seeds listed have strong fat profiles (ie, omega-3s), fiber, antioxidants, etc.

    Psyillium husk is the seeds from plants in India, pure fiber.

    Body builders love whey because it's quick-absorbing into the muscles. But it's bad for keto because it spikes insulin worse than white bread. Keto is all about controlling blood sugar and insulin to prevent fat storage and induce fat loss.
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    thanks for the info! I'm a geek when it comes to "what's the science behind it" questions relating to health/fitness. :chris: