@oldfella1962, you also asked about the sweeteners. Yes, even though most artificial sweeteners are zero-calorie, they affect blood sugar and insulin in different ways. Stevia and monk fruit extract are ideal, but you're not going to find them in any restaurant or bar. Aspartame in diet Coke et al may be bad for my health otherwise, but it's keto-friendly. I drink a fair amount of whiskey-diets when I go out.