Game On in Iraq: Iranian Quds and Militias Suffer a, um, Setback

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  1. Tuckerfan

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    Given what @Shirogayne has said about the status of the Navy, it seems like a really bad idea to delay maintenance.
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  2. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    Remember the pictures of USS Stout (DDG 55) returning to port last September after a deployment with no port calls (and thus very little or no stopping) due to COVID? Every BMC within view of the water in San Diego spontaneously had a seizure when they saw her.

    Stout.jpg
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  3. Shirogayne

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    Yep. A situation like what Elwood posted is largely cosmetic, but delaying things for years at a time is what leads to shit like the Fitzgerald incident.
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  4. shootER

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  5. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    I'm certainly no fan of Florida Man, but that's not kosher (pun intended).
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  6. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Seems equally justified by the arguments used to justify the assassination in this thread.
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  7. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    I think you mean halal in this instance, because it wouldn't be kosher...
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  8. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    How so?
  9. Quest

    Quest Let Freedom Ring! Staff Member Administrator

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    Soleimani wan't retired. He was actively engaged in hostilities against U.S. and allied forces.
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  10. Jenee

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    :shrug: trump wasn't following US protocol or the Geneva Convention. If they call in an air strike against him, I'm not going to cry about it. And, no, I do not think this will set any precedence specifically due to the two reasons I gave.
  11. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    I'm no fan of Trump and no hawk. But I don't see how any assassination attempt against a former president could go unchallenged.
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  12. Tuckerfan

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    So we blow up one of their abandoned military bases.
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  13. matthunter

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    What if it's Trump Jr finally snapping over the years of mental abuse?

    I'd only challenge that because it would involve the spontaneous regeneration of a spine, and only Worf Son of Mogh has ever accomplished that.
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  14. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    Exactly.

    I wouldn’t be upset if he were tried and hanged for his treason but he is our garbage and we should take him out.
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  15. Jenee

    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

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    Inaccurate or misleading information. Worf had a surgical procedure, unsanctioned though it may have been, it wasn't a spontaneous regeneration.
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  16. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    What?
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    I suppose I deal with that the same way I've dealt with the last 4 years. I've never considered him the POTUS and never will. Not because he wasn't my candidate, or wasn't ideal, but because he said himself he was not president for those who did not vote for him. ... or words to that affect. Don't remember the exact quote.
  18. Jenee

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    What do you me "What?"
  19. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    How did Trump violate the Laws of Armed Conflict (what I assume you meant by the Geneva Convention [sic])?
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    I think quite a lot of people don't actually know what the scope of the various Geneva Conventions is, and have not read them.
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  21. Jenee

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    Well ..., correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe assassination of a specific individual is against the Geneva Convention.

    If not, it's definitely not in line with US idealism and no other president has ever attempted such.
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    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    The prohibition against the assassination of political leaders is only an Executive Order.

    It started with Ford’s EO 11905 but has been reaffirmed/updated/altered by most presidents since.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11905
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  23. Jenee

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    Are Assassinations Ever Legal? It depends on who you ask. By JULIET LAPIDOS JULY 14, 20095:50 PM A police sniper Last month, the Central Intelligence Agency canceled a secret initiative, authorized by the president in 2001, to capture or kill senior al-Qaida operatives. Although the program was never operational, its existence raises the question: Can we assassinate anyone we want? No, but the exact regulations are murky. Gerald Ford’s 1976 executive order on foreign intelligence activities (issued after the disclosure that the CIA had plans to do in Fidel Castro) explicitly prohibits government employees from engaging in “political assassination.” This certainly rules out killing heads of state through covert means. It’s unclear, however, who else is off limits. The 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Terrorists, a congressional resolution that grants the president the right to use “all necessary and appropriate force” against those who helped commit the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, arguably licenses the CIA to go after terrorists with impunity.
    This, along with your link, certainly seems to suggest, as I've said, assassination attempts go against American Idealism.

    EO 11905 certainly banned any government official from assassinating other political leaders.

    Then there's this: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml

    But,

    So, while you are correct, it certainly hasn't been done by any other US president and for good reason.
  24. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    I've always found the idea of a state defining the legality of it's own actions seem like a glaring conflict of interests.

    If the POTUS were assassinated by a foreign power or powers would their defence of "It wasn't against our laws!" satisfy anyone?

    Considering Iraqi insurgents are labelled terrorists and murderers when they kill US troops occupying their country, whilst a foreign national who had supported those insurgents whilst serving in uniform became fair game for an extra judicial killing I think not.
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  25. tafkats

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    On the one hand, a former U.S. president getting assassinated by a foreign power in retaliation for military actions would be disastrous.

    On the other hand, I still hope Trump sees this image and that it makes him shit his pants, and that he can't stop thinking about it whenever he's on the course.
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  26. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Please, please, please, someone tell him that "Fore!" Is the sound an RPG makes.
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  27. Spaceturkey

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    the lovely thing is that the flying wing shaped shadow can only imply two planes that I know of...
  28. Tuckerfan

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    You’re forgetting about drones. The drone that we lost over Iran was flying wing shaped.
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