GOP rep: Humanity wouldn't exist if not for rape and incest.

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    If you insist on going back far enough. But not sure how that is the least bit relevant.
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    At least some in the GOP are calling him out over this:

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    I'm not sure how that could work given there's no way to enumerate the rapes. Additionally the fact that the population continues to rise in periods of peace would have to be taken into account.
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    I was just trying to think of examples of what Steve King could be trying to say. In other words, I was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
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    16 million men are the direct descendants to someone in Khan's army. We don't know who it was, the assumption is that it was Genghis, but it could have been anyone in his forces. Whomever it was, they impregnated a lot of women, and the odds of all those encounters being consensual are pretty low.

    Perhaps when we've done larger genetic studies we'll find someone else who's sired a large number of kids, but in an era when women were considered to be chattel, the odds of a majority of those offspring being the result of what we would consider to be "consensual sex" are probably pretty low.
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    Likely but unproveable, which is the point I'm making, and also must be weighed against the fact those people are also descendants of a great many other couplings. As you noted earlier life is messy and we have no way of knowing exactly who was or wasn't raped or what alternative combinations of genetic material may have spread otherwise. There's just too many unknowns and too few routes to establish accurate enumerations, not to mention clarifying what exactly constitutes "rape" in any historical context.

    However we do know that populations continue to grow throughout the world in a vast array of nations with very different legal systems and societal conditions. Those populations grow in nations with comparatively low reported rates of rape and I'm not aware of any nation where modern forensic science has led to a decrease in population levels.

    One could argue that differential rates might be correlated to differences in attitudes to rape, offending levels, local definitions, efficiency and resourcing of law enforcement, etc, but doing the statistical legwork would be a mammoth task which none of us (including Mr King) is in a position to carry out.

    My best guess (and strong suspicion) is that throughout the world the number of consensual sexual encounters which occur far outweigh the number of rapes and by extension the majority of children are sired consensually. Given that (fairly reasonable) proposition and the fact that the population does in fact keep growing at an ever growing rate then Mr Kings' statement seems to me to be unsupported and hyperbolic.
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    Indeed, rape tends to be endemic in times and places where there is significant societal breakdown.

    Places such as warzones, ecological disasters, famines, mass disease....
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    King is correct that some animals rape, kill, and fight violently. What do humans do with rapists, murderers, and people who fight and maim others? We throw them in a cage like the animals they are. So since king feels that he is an animal and therefor will fight and rape women to have children with them, then he belongs in a cage because he is an animal.

    I am fine with that.

    BTW where is @Dinner to say that these white animals deserve to be caged for thinking rape and violence are justifiable in human communities to justify procreation? This seems to be something he thinks is horrible when muslims and brown people do it. Is he going to admit WASPs should be treated as animals for the same thing?
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    Hasn't posted since the day before the El Paso massacre. :unsure:
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    I would have to say this is a product of religious sexism. It is the product of thinking women are baby machines and property of men, and that breeding is the right of men because of outdated religious ideas from when mankind was much more similar to animals. This is not just a verbal mistake. This is the basis for those old religious ideals before our society stepped beyond those moral valuies with the social contract which says women are full fledged people who are their own sovereign beings and not the property of their fathers or husbands. This is not just a thoughtless idiotic comment, but rather an idealism based upon immoral religious values. In this case, not islam, but rather the basis for Islamic beliefs which is the old and new testament, and the religious idealism of christianity and the hebrew faiths. When you take those beliefs literally and regard the old and new testament as the words and instructions of god and their prophets these are the beliefs that come from it. If one took those things as the product of less civilized men and believed them to be stories we can evolve from and learn how our old bveliefs were wrong, then they could move beyond them into an improved society and social contract which is more moral.

    This is why religions of the distant past are not the moral fabric of our society, but rather it is the advancement of human thought and recognition of the savagery we wish to evolve above.
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    Really? That is a distance away. Not that I am arguing if he has taken his drunken rantings far away, but should someone check if we need to have a candelight vigil thread? Does anyone care enough?
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    Alexander the Great had a more humane - for his era - solution. Whatever cities he conquered, he would gather the women his troops had widowed in battle and offer them the choice of marrying one of his more battle-scarred veterans whom he knew would not be able to fight much longer. The city was then under his command, and he kept forging east. That's why you find genetic variations such as this woman from Northern Greece to Afghanistan:

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    Of course, even Alexander had to retreat from the borders of Afghanistan because he couldn't conquer myriad tribes who got their practice slaughtering each other.

    Pity the Soviets and the U.S. didn't learn from history...
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    I went to this guy's twitter and he was trying to say he was mis-quoted and he said, "Here, HERE is the whole clip of all I was saying to prove I was misquoted"
    It made it worse.
    He was not misquoted at all.
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    Steve King is one of several who think that people are taking one bit of their rhetoric out of context, when in fact the context is that they are just a fucking awful excuse for human beings whose every word is an exercise in horrific insanity.
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    Indo ayran migration tribes from Iran had blue eye. The Nazis were coverup mode when the only one with blonde and blue were from northern iran.
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    You have some research to back that? Because I've always wondered where the whole "Aryan" thing came from.
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    "If one took those things as the product of less civilized men and believed them to be stories we can evolve from" - Tererun

    I totally agree. The old testament is a product of it's time. And lo and behold god behaves and thinks just like the men who wrote it, except on a much more epic level. What a coincidence! :shrug:
    Only god has the ability to pull off a coincidence like that, right? Right? :hail:

    Seriously being a strong proponent of evolution at all levels, Christianity itself is evolving along with society. How the bible is interpreted and it's principles applied changes with each generation.
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    I dunno if its been said yet, but...

    Um, YEAH!

    People would have gone on having consensual sex with their chosen partners instead of the forced ones, and other people would have been born, and society would have averaged out about the same.

    To suppose otherwise is to suppose the rapists have a special high-octane cum that advanced the human race.

    Which is the very essence of Nazi eugenics thinking.
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    He said it wrong, and for that he has a black heart? Or he's lying when he claims it wasn't what he really meant, and for that he has the black heart? And if he's lying now, why the change of heart, why the pretense?

    This is the same guy repudiated by the party last year (and stripped of all his committees, IIRC) because he said why is white civilization so bad, if it can be beautiful to be black why not white?, or words to that effect, basically outing himself as a "white supremacist" according to the keepers of the flame. And the Party agreed and condemned him and his statements. (which he then also claimed were taken out of context)
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    Quoted for truth with one edit: Hitler was inspired in part by the eugenics movement that started here in the USA.

    So Murica did WWII in a sense.

    Thanks, Obama! :brood:
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    I'm not really sure what Tuttle is saying up above.
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    As far as people saying the wrong thing on accident, or saying the wrong word, or mis-pronouncing something-I totally get-it happens-it is funny, we like to laugh at it, we've all probably done it.

    I feel like as reprsentatives, politicians, congress people-it is their job to public speak-it is really imortant to not say the wrong thing-and if it does get said-it is important to re-iterate what you intended the message to be.

    Many of us have probably had jobs or careers where we reprsesent the company we work for-we can't just say anything we want to customers or online about things-more often than not there is not a 2nd chance if the wrong thing is said. I don't feel sorry for someone in that situation.

    If that person wants to make it right-he would say something about victims of rape and incest and how awful it is, and terrible it is-and advocate somehow for it not to happen....but those are not the words I hear him saying.
    He is not talking about advocating for the women who have been raped. He is only advocating for the precious life of the unborn child-which I get-yes all life is precious-I think one should be able to advocate for both honestly.
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    Sometimes the bullshit defense chip in @Tuttle 's brain is so overloaded that he spits out babble. It is not you, it is just that it is hard to form coherent thoughts while doing insane verbal gymnastics.
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    That pretty much sums up his response.
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