Discussion in 'Camp Wordforge' started by Forbin, Oct 22, 2020.
hmmm....I need to research that!
UPDATE! Indeed, I just found out there is a website called petakillsanimals so I guess it shouldn't come as a shock to me.
That was a troll?
Oh. Good to know.
How so? PETA supports spay/neuter and euthanasia to prevent or cull unwanted animals. Their main focus is ending practices that harm animals or encourage mistreatment.
Does it surprise you that website is run by Richard Berman a food industry lobbyist whose major funding came from Philip Morris?
Spay/neuter is great, but there are any number of organizations which promote that without PETA's baggage of extremist positions and shameless publicity-seeking.
What in the wide world of sports is going on here? How did this thread go from ammo to pets? Not judging, I'm just amazed it took three pages instead of three seconds.
I enjoy the shameless publicity seeking! Where else are you encouraged to throw blood on fashion models. I'd have to join an anti abortion group if it weren't for this.
worst...ammo...EVER! Let me preach on it: I went to the local range, meeting my son there after work. He brought the gun (.22 revolver) and thought that I was bringing the ammo from my stash. I thought he was bringing the ammo. AAARRRRGH! But hey, luckily they had some .22 ammo, a brand I'd never heard of - Remington Thunderbolt. Hey, beggars can't be choosers I guess.
Wow....my son's first six rounds were all over the place! One or two were "keyhole" to the point where it looked like the rounds went through the target sideways!
So it was now my turn. I'm a better shot than he is, and I really took my time for maximum accuracy - and I was all over the place with some keyhole action too. And you hear & feel the difference in recoil from about every tenth round or so. It was almost like the dangerous "pop and no kick" but thankfully all the rounds made it out the barrel even with little power.
And carbon? Unbelievable! The only way there could be more carbon is if you poured glue in the gun and dropped in a pile of ashes. Oh and we had a misfire too. So I did some internet research and YOWZA almost all reviews were a big thumbs down.
So we get ready to leave the range and what does he find in his trunk buried under all his art supplies? Boxes of .22 ammo! Well anyway, if you have a .22 stay away from this accident waiting to happen!
I actually have some of that!
I don't know if it's any good; I just bought it to have in reserve when California started putting up hurdles to buying ammo.
I shoot .22 *very* seldom these days. That "milk carton" of Remington ammo to the left, for instance, I think I've had over 25 years.
I usually shoot CCI Mini-Mags when they're available.
To be fair, many guns can have a mind of their own when it comes to getting maximum dependable performance and accuracy out of any particular type of round. Thunderbolts work great in some weapons (as per my review research) but not in my Heritage Arms revolver. CCI and Aquila for example shoot great in mine.
Side note the "ammo shortage" is very much still going on in my neck of the woods except for the "oddball" rounds still on the shelves. When it lets up I'm going to get a .45 or maybe a .357 Ruger single action. I doubt I'll ever get a small framed semi-auto for concealed carry since I work in a "gun free" zone and most of my public interactions are conducted during a to-and-from work timeframe.
Side note II - I hate the word "thunderbolt"! "Lightning bolt" makes sense (as per the picture on the box) but thunder is a loud sound you hear - and sometimes feel, depending on your proximity to the thunder. I can't listen to AC/DC "Thunderstruck" anymore without getting sidetracked about this.
Waseem Dilshad told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that his uncle was shot twice in the leg while working near Macy’s. Dilshad was on the phone at the time with his cousin, he said, who started “cursing and yelling.”
“I’m going to call you back, there’s blood everywhere,” Dilshad recalled him saying.
Gordon Lugauer, 46, was in the back of his store — Board Game Barrister, right next to Macy’s — for a busier-than-usual Friday when the shots rang out. As three staff members and a handful of customers dropped to the floor, he said, a single goal filled his mind: “How do we get these people out?”
He hurried people out a door to the parking lot, he said, then realized one of his employees was missing and went back in to find the staffer helping a customer who had been shot in the leg. In front of his store, people were on the ground in pain, their injuries not clear to him — though he remembers someone trying to treat an arm.
I thought you might like this story from The Washington Post.
Police search for suspect after eight are injured in Wisconsin mall shooting
Thanks steve! So the takeaway here is the suspect didn't have any trouble buying ammo, so we should all just be patient. Thank you for participating in this thread!
Good luck with that. If you're talking about G3 military surplus, they've been scarce for over 15 years.
I guess I'm just going to order one of those m-lock handguards or something then.
Not the forum for that. Take it to the Red Room.
So why the sudden run on ammo? Forbin started this thread October 20.
It doesn't seem related to the coronavirus.
Help me out with this.
Who is cornering the supply?
according to a Newsweek article it's a combination of civilians, the US military, law enforcement, and pretty much everyone who needs ammo that is driving demand beyond production capacity.
The article said the shortage will extend into 2021.
So hobbyests? Long winter months with nothing to do?
Why did you go to the store Oct 22, @Forbin?
BLM, Antifa, Qanon, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, etc. People have been panic buying in case of a civil war, causing other people to panic buy thinking the former are going to clean out the shelves, thus cleaning out the shelves. It's only going to get worse now that Biden has been elected because the "Biden's gonna take our guns" types are going to get into the act.
Target practice then?
I'm not speaking for Forbin but the reasons for individuals (versus organizations as I explained in post #79) buying ammo are as varied as people buying cat litter, baking soda, cherry vanilla Coke zero, etc.etc.etc. that my local stores keep running out of. You would have to ask each buyer to find out.
If you want to approach this from the "gloom & doom" aspect most gun enthusiasts I know who have large capacity semi-automatic weapons already have plenty of ammo and shooting experience/ability for any likely contingency. When they stop target shooting with these weapons to conserve ammo I would say it might be time for concern. Just my 2 cents!
Anything more would be Red Room fodder IMHO.
But the current run on ammo? Since this thread started?
The run on ammo isn't current at my local stores. It's been ongoing for several months now, but who knows if transportation/distribution could be affecting my area?
Ammo shortage is caused by an alignment of two things: urban unrest and possible gun control legislation. Covid is a factor in the former, but not the primary driver.
Ammo producers--like toilet paper producers--make a volume of product based on estimates of demand. When demand spikes throughout the market, production and distribution can't respond instantly, and so shortages ensue. Unless the manufacturers perceive the increase in demand to be a long-lasting phenomenon, they won't invest in more productive capacity to meet it.
During urban unrest, how is ammo used? What about suburban and rural?
Ideally, it isn't needed. It's like a fire extinguisher or insurance; you buy it hoping you won't need it, but it's nice to know it's there if you do.
But if you do need it (like if you're threatened by violent rioters) you use it to shoot, scatter, and dissuade the threats.
Suburbanites have too much to lose by rioting, though they should be prepared if urban rioting comes to them. Rural rioting is not a thing; too much distance between buildings to burn.
How many rioting raccoons have you seen?
How are fire extinguishers used against rioters and with what effects?
It's not being used more than usual. As already mentioned, it's the same deal with toilet paper. People who are panic buying TP aren't pooping any more than usual. They just want to buy as much as they can right now in case it's not available in the future...which is a self fulfilling type of panic. The thinking is that it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
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