Happy 100,000 America!

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  1. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Rey of sunshine

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    At some point in the next 24 to 48 hours, 100,000 Americans will have died due to COVID-19 related complications.

    It's hard to believe there are wackjobs out there who STILL think this is some kind of conspiracy. There's also the idiots who somehow feel that wearing a mask to protect, well, society at large, is somehow an infringement of their god-given rights.

    It's very sad and it's impossible NOT to make the pandemic political, when so many world leaders have badly mismanaged this crisis.

    America, you have one person to thank for those 100,000 dead.

    “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
    - President Donald J. Trump, 22 January 2020.

    “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”
    - President Donald J. Trump, 10 February 2020.

    :(
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  2. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Rey of sunshine

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    Oh... and if you haven't yet twigged to the fact that Donald J. Trump declaring churches an "essential service" is an overt play to his base in an election year, then you're part of the problem.

    You can thank him for the few extra thousand dead that will result from this ill-informed political decision.
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  3. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Rhetorical question: Do any of them know the last time he set foot in a church? :mystery:
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  4. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

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    And yet some people still aren't convinced that he needs to be voted out at all costs. :jayzus:
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  5. Federal Farmer

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    Lots of things are deemed essential that probably shouldn't be, what's your point? I love that you're celebrating the deaths of American though.:jayzus:
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  6. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    What do you consider essential?
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    Last time he did, he burst into flames like Dracula.
    Which is why he has that groovy comb-over now.
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  8. Federal Farmer

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    The US. Constitution.
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  9. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    And this is where, instead of doing whatever the fuck he pleases, you'll show the class how Your Boy Donnie has been adhering to the Constitution.

    Take your time. You'll need to do a lot of research. :bailey:
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  10. oldfella1962

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    disagree! The leaders of the churches don't have to open. Or if they do open they can conduct services online or in some other similar fashion. Nice try though!
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    oldfella1962 light & lethal

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    so Canada's death total is ZERO I guess right? If not, I guess your "world leader" is fucking it up too.
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  12. Ten Lubak

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    I think he’s a buffoon but he’s actually handled himself and the management of this outbreak pretty effectively

    It also helps we aren’t full of selfish, uneducated idiots like America is :yes:
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  13. The Night Funky

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    I’ve seen estimates that we’ll hit 300K by the end of July. In 20 years, HIV killed 400K+ Americans, this disease will have crossed that threshold in less than a year if the trend continues.
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    oldfella1962 light & lethal

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    no math in the red room, but again let's consider this - AIDS targeted a small percentage of Americans - primarily those engaged in intravenous drug use, risky sexual activity, and other behaviors not practiced by too many geriatrics in rural areas (for example) or so I am told. So the entire pool of people who might get AIDS is much, much smaller than the entire pool of people who might get COVID-19. That pool is enormous and includes nearly every human in America. So I'm not saying you are going full apples-to-oranges here, but you're pretty damn close to it.
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  15. MikeH92467

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    Well, 100,000 is getting pretty close to the death tolls from Vietnam and Korea combined. Of course, they took, what 15 years, more or less to get there.
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    and again let me explain how ratios & percentages work. Damn when the person who took two years to get through Algebra I (with a C minus grade) has to lay this out we have problems. But here we go:
    currently the US has a population of about 270,000,000 people. 2,700,000 U.S. military served in uniform "boots-on-the ground" in Vietnam during the eleven years of U.S. involvement.
    5,700,000 U.S. military served in uniform "boots-on-the-ground" in Korea during the three years of U.S. involvement. Are you with me so far? Very good!

    So to put this in perspective:
    the total pool of people who could potentially become casualties of COVID-19 is 270,000,000.
    the total pool of people who could have potentially became casualties of either the Korean War or Vietnam (physically serving on location there) is 8,400,000

    the current population of the U.S. is 32 times that of the population of military members who served in Korea & Vietnam during active hostilities. So if we take our 100,000 COVID-19 casualties
    and multiply it by 32 we get 3,200,000 casualties. Is this even close to how many casualties we suffered during Korea and Vietnam combined? Let's check it out!
    The internet says 112,000 casualties out of a 8,400,000 member pool. That is 1 in 75 people. Here comes the tricky part, hang on to your hat!
    So far the U.S. has 100,000 casualties out of a 270,000,000 member pool. That is 1 in 2,700 people.

    Well my extrapolation of the data leads me to the conclusion that 1 in 75 is a much higher death rate than 1 in 2,700. If you draw a different conclusion than I do, please share it with the class! :yes:
    This was certainly fun and educational!
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  17. Lanzman

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    The current US population is far higher than your 270,000,000 figure. Probably closer to 340,000,000.
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  18. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    This is how bad H1N1 could've been.
    Know why it wasn't?
    Obama was a better president.

    Thaaaaanks, Obaaamaaa!
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  19. The Night Funky

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    You're missing the point: The AIDS pandemic has been hugely disruptive to our society, and it is something that took 20 years to get to roughly where we are now. What's our society going to look like when it passes the current number of Americans killed by HIV (something that could happen in less than a year from now)?
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  20. Nova

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    yeah but yeah but

    Were you on this beat back when the redhats were pounding the "it's not even a bad flu" drum?
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    we should mark the occasion with a brisk round of golf!
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  22. K.

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    Your numbers are wrong, as @Lanzman pointed out. Your logic is wrong, because those actively serving in a war come from the same pool of the total population as the covid fatalities. And your calculation is wrong, because you are ignoring time when calculating your "rate".
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  23. Tererun

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    Let us remember that a lot of those deaths might have been prevented if we did not have a bunch of people thinking condoms were choking their penis and infringing on their rights to get infected. Really, it is almost like we could see this mask thing coming a mile away with how people freaked the fuck out over not passing on STDs back in the day.

    Oh, and let us not forget those fucking annoying seat belts which restrict you from climbing into the back seat of the car while driving. That was the fascism of hitler like when they started fining everyone for not wearing them. Oh, and what sort of hitler makes you put your child in a car seat restricting their ability to float freely about the car like a pinball? It is like living in stalin's russia having to keep your kids from flying out of the car at 80 miles per hour. Oh, and then those horrible SJW fascist dems wanted you to drive sober. Where is the freedom in that? I cannot even enjoy a quart of whisky while cruising down the highway at 100 with 15 kids in the back of my giant station wagon/SUV? What sort of liberty hating country did I wake up in this morning?

    Freedom is just another word they want to ban you from saying because it shows how they control every bit of your life and are all a bunch of librul pussy hitlers.
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  24. Asyncritus

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    Possible, but unlikely. That would require most states and most people to end most protective measures, including social distancing. If it was just up to Trump, that could well happen, but fortunately some governors are more reasonable.

    I do think there is a fairly high probability of an increase in the curve, however. (And not just in the USA. I think it is likely in France as well.) Too many people think, consciously or unconsciously, that "it's pretty much over" and are letting off on the precautions.

    A continuation of the present (downward) trend would indicate roughly another 50,000 deaths or so in the USA by the end of July, making a total of about 150,000 at that point. But with an uptick in infections, which is likely to start showing up fairly clearly by about mid-June, deaths will begin to show in increase as well, by about the end of June. Even so, my guess is that the USA probably won't see more than 200,000 deaths by the end of July and maybe less, depending on people's behavior.
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  25. Asyncritus

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    Not really. Covid-19 is much nastier, due to the long period where a person is infectious without knowing they have it. That is the biggest factor that makes Covid-19 so bad.

    It would be better to say that the US death toll could have been roughly half what it is with a better president. If Trump had reacted as well as Obama did, the current death-toll would still be much higher, and the economic cost much greater, than with H1N1. But the death toll, at least, would not be nearly as high as it is currently, and the long-term economic effect would probably be much less.
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  26. Tererun

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    OMG it can learn. Maybe you aren't as useless as I thought. I am still an asshole.
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    I would not say half, but I would say a significant amount. I do agree that Trump's response has interrupted any mitigation of damages we would have had. No one can say he has actually made things better in any way, and that is a truly telling fact about his presidency. Any of our past presidents would have at least made things better with their involvement. Little Bush may have had criticism with Katrina relief but he did not actively try to make the situation worse. Trump actively makes the situation worse.
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    And that's the problem. The lockdown measures in many countries, albeit belated, appear to have worked in mitigating the spread. I do recall several doctors and health professionals warning everyone in the early days that just because we start to see improvements, it doesn't mean we're out of the woods. Far from it.

    There's going to be a second wave and it's going to be ugly, because people are becoming complacent.
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    ^ Extremely likely.

    And if it gets ugly enough, we'll be right back on that exponential curve...
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    duly noted! It proves my point even better. Maybe it will help stop people from dragging out variations on this false equivalency.