here comes the bullshit with vaping

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  1. Tererun

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    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/michigan-moves-1st-state-ban-122951060.html

    People parent your own fucking brats. I am a fucking adult. If I want to suck on some candy flavored vapor I should have the right to do so. Years ago I got pissed because flavored cigarettes got taken off the market because it made kids want to smoke. Why do we have mixed drinks, and different alcohol products? Because straight alcohol tastes awful.

    I am tired of having to lose my adult options because people cannot keep their kids on a leash. I am all fine with hammering people who sell to children or give shit to kids. I don't give out smokes or buy alcohol for kids. I don't mind if you want to toss the people who do in prison because they broke the law. I don't even mind making sure to have a valid and proper ID and showing it.

    Don't take the shit off the market because of shitty parents. Parents have to do their part to punish their own children. If you found your kid with a vape, then you punish your child. We don't all have to lose out because you cannot deal with your child.
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  2. Kommander

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    I wish I could posrep your post more than once.

    I live in Michigan. I'm fucking pissed. Gretchen Whitmer is a cunt and I regret voting for her. Handing out overreaching executive orders is Trump's department. Don't be like Trump.

    In the other vaping thread, I mentioned that I don't understand all the hate vaping gets, but I think I do now. Cigarettes pretty much can't be banned. Phillip Morris, et. al. are too big, too powerful, and employ too many lobbyists for that to happen. Vape products are mostly produced by small companies, so that obstetrical isn't present, so the anti-smokers go after vaping so they can feel like their winning. Whereas, in reality, vaping is probably the best shot we have at making cigarettes a thing of the past. But no, the self-important dipshits can't play the long game, they have to win now.

    Also, like @Tererun said, don't punish me because people can't control their crotch spawn.

    Fuck this planet.
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  3. Tererun

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    I know conventions that wont do adult panels anymore because the kids try to sneak in. One of the reasons I love AWA is they have some great late night adult yaoi panels. They also check ID heavily at the doors and you bring your ID. I don't want the cons to stop having adult activities. Keep your kids out, and I will gladly make sure to get any kid get the fuck out. Things get fucked up because of kids.

    Parents have got to watch their children. It is not our job to make sure the world is kid safe. I am perfectly fine with kid safe areas and leaving adult content out of them. However when I want to have adult fun I want to be able to do it.

    It really needs to go back to the loose people who allow kids to get a hold of this stuff. If you are a parent who is loose enough with your kids that they get a hold of adult things you can bet that those kids are spreading adult things around. So this needs to go back to the parents too. If you do not have the time to supervise your kids properly then you need to change something.

    I don't need a babysitter.
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    Prohibiting sales is one thing, making possession illegal...

    FUCK
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    CUNT!

    Republicans! You're being all obstructionist lately, get on this!
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  5. Tererun

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    I still have more than four vaping flavors and I have not vaped in forever. When you say it is like candy, then you have to recognize it is like candy and people might want a bunch of different flavors.

    I am totally in agreement here.
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  6. Kommander

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    Oh noes! I'm a dangerous drug dealer out to harm the childrens! Somebody do something!!!
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    But some sicko might go on a mass vaping.
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    He'll vape 'em all!!!
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    I'm going on a mass vaping once I finish typing up my manifesto.
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    So, flavored vape liquid is banned because Gretchen Whitmer feels that appeals to kids. Flavored vodka appeals to kids, yet not banned. Flavored condoms appeal to kids, but not banned.

    Clearly, Grechen Whitmer fully supports teenage binge drinking and pedophilia.

    What? If she can use baseless assumptions and faulty logic to ban things, I can use baseless assumptions and faulty logic to complain about it.

    Anyway, this is an inconvenience at best.

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    "What's the reason for your visit to Canada today?"

    "I'm going to buy vape liquid because the governor is an idiot."
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    There is a little difference between a device that emits vapor when you suck on it, and one that kills people with high velocity lead when you pull the trigger. If you cannpot see that then you are some sort of @Dayton Kitchens .
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    Translation: if it's something I want/enjoy, then no-one can tell me I can't have it. If it's something I disapprove of, then THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO SOMETHING. Hypocrite.
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    My youngest daughter's boyfriend vapes and she teases him about it, saying that he's got a robot dick in his mouth. :lol:
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    Hey, far as I'm concerned you can guzzle all the lead paint you want in the privacy of your home.
    It's the runoff and vapors of that lead when you piss and crap it out that zaps all your neighbors, and plucks IQ points off their kids that are the sticky wicket.

    I know you think lead paint is delicious, and you miss it dearly, but I for one think the government finally taking it away was probably a good idea.
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    I agree, it's totally hilarious that your daughter emotionally abuses her boyfriend.
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    "Grape" and "ape" both rhyme with "vape," so Grape Ape is a blatant attempt to push vaping on kids.

    "Vape" also rhymes with "rape." Does vaping make someone more likely to commit rape? We don't know, so we need to assume it does until it's proven that it doesn't. Until then, vapers are essentially rapists and they should all be locked up.
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    I couldn't quite figure it out but I think that maybe Kommander is "big mad" about this, as the young kids say :lol: ;)

    No, for real, this sounds like a stupid law right up there with that NYC soda ban. It's the worst kind of law, namely security theater. It pisses off the adults and children who are legit addicted are just gonna go after what flavors are there, like when menthols got banned in some places. :brood:

    I'm honestly just sick of this cherry picking with nicotine. If it's truly the worst, most dangerous substance that's harder to kick than cocaine and heroin, then fucking ban all of it, but these not picking shows of morality are silly AF.
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    Where oh where did you get that idea?

    That's toxic masculinity and you're problematic.

    Somebody do something about this!
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    Of the ass mouth? :unsure:
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    Vaping only kills those who vape, unlike guns that kill others. If my vape was causing the deaths of others, like cigarettes indoors, I would certainly support a ban on where you could use them. Sorry kiddo, but again you are way the fuck off.
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  26. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    I don't get the whole mass hysteria about "vaping" making people sick. Millions of people have been vaping for years now, then all of a sudden a bunch of people, most of them in the same age group, in a short amount of time, and in the same geographical area start getting sick from vaping after market liquid they bought off the street, and now everybody needs to stop vaping until it can be investigated? I'm no expert in public health, but it seems fairly obvious to me that somebody is selling some garbage black market e-juice that's probably going to turn out being CBD oil. :shrug:
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    From everything I have read it is juul pods and possibly the THC containing products which use a different oil. Like you said vaping has been around forever and people were not getting ill. Both juul and the THC containing products are recent things getting really popular in the past couple of years. Both are drug related where you are pulloing heavier and more often because of getting high.

    I am thinking it is evidence we need to regulate the ingredients for flavors, oils, and other products that might be harmful in the quantities a person is vaping. When you realize hukka tobacco use is very similar to vaping, but has not produced these serious problems despite mainly being composed of flared additives over soaked tobacco leaves it has to be something in the mix certain products are using. It also may be frequency of use which should include a warning.

    This also may be a product of the larger containers of vaping liquids and the liquid containers on the devices themselves. What if the shit goes bad and you are then inhaling bacteria into your lungs which is not being killed off by the heat? That would also cause lung infections and problems like pneumonia and bronchitus. A cigarette gets burning at temps which would kill bacteria where the vaping liquid might not. I have noticed some vaping materials turn black within a few weeks, especially CBD vaping cartridges which is why I stopped using them for vaping. There is certainly something that grows in some of these solutions. Perhaps there has to be something regarding cleaning of some of these products regularly.
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    The recent illnesses have been identified as lipoid pneumonia, which is most likely caused by vitamin E acetate which was being used in black market THC cartridges. So, yeah, they shouldn't be using that.

    Unlike the tobacco industry, the vape industry doesn't want to kill its customers. If an ingredient is shown to be harmful, the companies stop using it. Many of the companies that were using diacetyl in flavorings either reduced the amount or stopped using it all together, even though the whole "popcorn lung" thing turned out to not be based on actual evidence.
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    There is a reality with the CBD cartridges I was getting that they turned black over time. That is a sign of microbial growth. I am pretty sure I have not seen it with any nicotine or non CBD oils. i know the THC oils don't seem to do this.

    The CBD cartridges really got me because I tried multiple brands and they all visually start developing black debris which look like bacteria colonies. I have only used sealed cartridges which are never fully opened to let in air, but I assume air would contact the oils through the use of the product. I can only assume this is bacterial contamination from the manufacturing process or air exposure. They might avoid chemical preservatives, and may not be able to kill the bacteria off because that is normally by heating which might be hard to accomplish with the nature of the product being to vaporize at lower temperatures.

    I just found the vape shops to be a tad dishonest when I asked them about it. They got all defensive and told me it could not happen, then I pwould pull out the cartridges and get accused of trying to con them. That tends to bug me when cheapo batteries blow up and I have to trust these guys are selling me safe batteries because cheap rechargeable batteries blow up when chargung in your laptops, phones, and of course they do in your vaping device.

    Oh, and trusting the vaping companies to not do the same bullshit tobacco and food companies do is a good way to fuck yourself up. They don't want to kill their customers is a load of crap. They have an algorithm like any company that calculates losses from problems with their product compared with gains from sales over time and calculates a decent profit magin compared with expected litigation and the lifetime expectancy of their customers. It is called business and if you believe the vape companies don't do that sort of thing you are gullible. Seriously, we know opiods kill their users over time and use, but that did not stop pharmaceuticals from pushing those products because the dead users would still be profitable for them because they spent tons of money on their product before dying by it. Smoking and sugar kill their customers over time, but the customers spend millions on killing themselves.

    Sorry dude, I can agree vaping should be an option, but the idea that vaping is safe because the vaping companies told you is stupid. Nicotine is not safe at all. Putting foreign particles in your lungs is not safe at all. Your body can handle it and wont die the moment you take it, but it is unhealthy over all. Personally I don't mind not living to 100. 60 or 80 might be a bit too much for me, and I am willing to trade some time for some enjoyment, but I am not under any delusion vaping is healthy because the vaping companies said so.
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    probably a few vape shops getting their juice from some chinese distributor who put unfiltered yangtze water or foxconn plant runoff into it because its its cheaper.