If the election were held today...

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If the election were held today, who would you vote for?

Poll closed Nov 15, 2015.
  1. Bush

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  2. Carson

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  3. Christie

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  4. Clinton

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  5. Cruz

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  6. Fiorina

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  7. Gilmore

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  8. Graham

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  9. Huckabee

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  10. Jindal

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  11. Kasich

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  12. O'Malley

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  13. Pataki

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  14. Paul

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  15. Rubio

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  16. Sanders

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  17. Santorum

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  18. Trump

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  19. Other: please explain

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  20. teh Baba is better than any of these losers

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  1. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    Hillary knows progressives think of her as an opportunist who is untrustworthy and who will say or do anything to get elected (example: 29 or 30 sections of the TPP were finalized on her watch with he extensive involvement yet she claims she doesn't support the deal despite campaigning for it 45 times). If she is smart she will put a genuine progressive on the ticket (someone like Elizabeth Warren) hoping that might tempt some progressives to show up and vote for her.

    Like I said, I don't like Hillary and will probably not vote for her.
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  2. Beck

    Beck Monarchist, Nazi, Far-Right Whackaloon

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    I would vote for Donald Trump. He's not beholden to any special interests, he's not beholden to money, and he's just arrogant enough to shake the cage and get something done. I used to be a Paul guy, but he auto-destructed his campaign, so given the alternatives, I'm going with Trump for the economy and for immigration. I would never vote for Hillary or Sanders.
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  3. M. Bison

    M. Bison Philosophize w/a Hammer

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    I don't want to vote, but I'll feel morally obligated to do so if it means voting against Hillary.

    The Clintons have committed too many rapes, murders, theft, perjury, tampering witnesses, tampering with evidence, tampering with murder scenes, pedophilia, murdering rape victim's pets, etc... to allow them to govern us again.
  4. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Pedophilia? That's a new one.
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  5. gturner

    gturner Banned

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    Bill flew to the Island of Underage Sex Slaves on a private jet.

    ETA: Clinton/Epstein story

    New Lawsuit Alleges Underage Sex Slave Ring and Bill Clinton Might Be One of the First to Testify

    Former President Bill Clinton has been identified as a potential source of information in a lawsuit against Jeffrey Epstein, a former friend and fundraiser who was jailed in 2008 for having sex with an underage prostitute.

    According to the Daily Mail:

    “Tales of orgies and young girls being shipped to the island, called Little St. James, have been revealed as part of an ongoing lawsuit between Epstein and his former lawyers Scott Rothstein and Bradley Edwards.

    It is unclear what the basis of the suit is, but they go on to call witness testimony from some of the frequent guests at Epstein’s island to talk about the wild parties that were held there in the early 2000s.”
    One of those “frequent guests” mentioned is the former president, who is alleged to have taken numerous trips to the island on Epstein’s private jet between 2002 and 2005.
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  6. M. Bison

    M. Bison Philosophize w/a Hammer

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    I'm referring here to his remarkably close ties with billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, his 28 trips on the flying playboy mansion for minors (nicknamed Lolita Express or Air Fuck One), and the confirmed trips to Orgy Island (which offers exclusive access to abducted minors from South America and Eastern Europe among other places).

    Bill Clinton makes Bill Cosby look like a good guy.
  7. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Oh, it's not so new. gturner has been banging that drum for over half a year. See, Bill Clinton went to a conference on an island where another person ran a pedophiliac bordello. Therefore, Clinton is a pedophile according to the drooling idiots brigade.
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  8. gturner

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    He flew down there frequently on the jet owned by the guy who ran the sex slave operation.

    But of course Bill would never have sex with anyone other than Hillary except between the hours of 8:AM to 7:AM, when they're not having breakfast together.
  9. M. Bison

    M. Bison Philosophize w/a Hammer

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    It's interesting that Bernie and Trump agree on most of the problems, but offer vastly different solutions.

    I've enjoyed listening to Bernie's ideas, but I'm not convinced we could successfully socialize all these institutions without addressing the immigration problem.
  10. gturner

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    Then there's the bit about socialism being a disaster, which is why Scandinavia abandoned it in the 1970's when their economies took severe damage.
  11. M. Bison

    M. Bison Philosophize w/a Hammer

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    Western life is predicated on social contract. I'm not suggesting we root out all forms of socialism.

    What I meant to say is more like this:

    The Western style of life has it's advantages (namely convenience), but it’s certainly not the most harmonious model for interacting with our environment. I believe we should be discouraging carbon emissions, big pharma, factory farms, and other forms of hyper consumerism, not encouraging more people to adapt that lifestyle.

    Bernie seems to thinks that this way of life is infinitely scalable and that's simply not the case! Furthermore there's no reason to believe that we can afford things like this given the current economy.
  12. gturner

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    Well about ten years after you implement socialism you can't even afford toilet paper, so there's that.
  13. M. Bison

    M. Bison Philosophize w/a Hammer

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    To what conference are you referring?

    I was not referring to Bill's attending any conference, rather the 28 documented visits to the private underaged brothel.
  14. gturner

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    We can't be sure there were underage sex slaves there because the island could have been in a different time stream than our own reality. Even though the girls might have been 14 to 16 if they'd stayed in the continental US, they might have quickly aged to 21 or 22 on the island due to the weird temporal field generated by the quantum power source hidden in the mansion's swimming pool maintenance shed.

    At some point one of Hillary's spokesmen is going to seize on that as a likely explanation and the pool reporters will just nod their heads at the wonders of science.
  15. gturner

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    Here is a good summation of why so many people think the Clinton Foundation was a criminal enterprise.

    Charles Krauthammer said that he had no doubt some of the 30,000 e-mails Hillary deleted very likely had references to the Clinton Foundation's business, which would be illegal and a conflict of interest. Others say it is organized crime at its finest -- and we are financing it. This is a summary of how the Clinton Foundation works as a tax-free international money laundering scheme. It will probably eventuallyprove to be the largest political criminal enterprise in U.S. history.

    This is a textbook case on how you hide foreign money sent to you and repackage it to be used for your own purposes. All tax free. Here's how it works:

    1. You create a separate foreign "charity." In this case one in Canada.

    2. Foreign oligarchs and governments then donate to this Canadian charity. In this case, over 1,000 did, contributing mega-millions. I'm sure they did this out of the goodness of their hearts, and expected nothing in return. (Imagine Putin's buddies waking up one morning and just deciding to send untold millions to a Canadian charity).

    3. The Canadian charity then bundles these separate donations and makes a massive donation to the Clinton Foundation.

    4. The Clinton Foundation and the cooperating Canadian charity claim Canadian law prohibits the identification of individual donors.

    5. The Clinton Foundation then "spends" some of this money for legitimate good works programs. Unfortunately, experts believe this is on the order of 10%. Much of the balance goes to enrich the Clinton's, pay salaries to untold numbers of hangers-on, and fund lavish travel, etc. Again, virtually all tax free, which means you and I are subsidizing it.

    6. The Clinton Foundation, with access to the world's best accountants, somehow fails to report much of this on their tax filings. They discover these "clerical errors" and begin the process of re-filing 5 years of tax returns.

    7. Net result -- foreign money, much of it from other countries, goes into the Clinton's pockets tax-free and untraceable back to the original donor.

    This is the textbook definition of "money laundering."

    Oh, by the way, the Canadian "charity" includes as a principal one Frank Giustra. Google him. He is the guy who was central to the formation of Uranium One, the Canadian company that somehow acquired massive U.S. uranium interests and then sold them to an organization controlled by Russia. This transaction required U.S. State Department approval, and guess who was Secretary of State when the approval was granted?

    As an aside, imagine how former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell feels. That poor schlep is in jail because he and his wife took $165,000 in gifts and loans for doing minor favors for a guy promoting a vitamin company. Not legal, but not exactly putting U.S. security at risk.

    Sarcasm aside, if you're still not persuaded this was a cleverly structured way to get unidentified foreign money to the Clinton's, ask yourself this:

    Why did these foreign interests funnel money through a Canadian charity?

    Why not donate directly to the Clinton Foundation? Better yet, why not donate money directly to the people, organizations and countries in need?

    This is the very essence of money laundering and influence peddling. Now you know why Hillary's destruction of 30,000 e-mails was a risk she was willing to take.

    It is also both illegal and unconstitutional for anyone in a position of trust with the US government to accept anything of value from any foreign person. The current cutoff is $50.00 US. The Clinton's raked in over $2,000,000,000.00 US.
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    You're mad about that possibility? Sounds like a Super PAC.
  17. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    He's apparently bought into the Trump "90% - 100% - he's gonna take EVERYTHING!" sales pitch.
  18. Dr. Krieg

    Dr. Krieg Noli Me Tangere. Administrator Overlord

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    Nobody. Everyone running is shit.
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  19. tafkats

    tafkats That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, bingo! Moderator

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    Ah, yes. The question is, is he really one of the useful idiots who thinks a top marginal rate of 80% means "the government takes 80% of your money," or, like most of the Republican candidates who use that line, is he simply dishonest enough to hope other people will buy it?
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  20. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    Garamet, the Republican dullards were doing the same nonsense in 2012 declaring all the polls wrong because they didn't like the results then trying to "unskew the polls" which essentially amounted to nothing more than saying "these are what I wish the poll results were. That is why everyone in the real world knew 2012 was going to be an Obama electoral landslide yet the RWNJ were dumb founded.
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  22. NAHTMMM

    NAHTMMM Conversant in dark parables

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    "Now"?
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    mburtonk mburtonkulous

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    Rhetorical flair.
  24. tafkats

    tafkats That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, bingo! Moderator

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    Man, some of those are really hilarious. :lol:

    Not so much the ones from 2006, 2007 and even early 2008, but the sheer mental gymnastics involved in the October 2008 "He can't possibly win!" posts are comedy gold.
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    Sadly, the press wouldn't vet Obama like they're doing with Carson.

    False things Obama said about his bio that didn't cause the media to go into full meltdown.

    I always thought I was offered a "scholarship to West Point" too. A Republican running for Congress stopped by my house when I was in elementary school and told my dad he'd sponsor me. Since kids don't know the exactly how military academies work, almost all will take that as a scholarship offer.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Meh. That's only because she's an opportunist who is untrustworthy and who will say or do anything to get elected.
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    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    She finalized 29 out of 30 chapters of the TPP under her leadership then, knowing exactly what was in it, she spent two years shilling for it. Suddenly, one month before the first democratic debate she changed her mind and now says she no longer supports it.

    That simply is not believable just like her dozens of other flip flops. Sanders currently polls better than any GOP candidate in a head to head match so I would rather have the real thing than a fake imitation.
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  28. gturner

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    But Sanders isn't going to be the nominee because despite railing against Uber, he uses Uber 100% of the time. That means that if he beats her in two or three states, his next Uber driver won't be from Uber, it'll be from Hillary. Sanders will just ride of into the sunset, never to be seen again. :(

    She let herself get beaten once in a primary. She's not going to let it happen again.
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    Inútil Fresh Meat

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    I do love the effrontery of completely making up a 'contest' to see who was the 'most honest' student and, of course, winning it.
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  30. gturner

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    That's not as bad as the effrontery of completely making up a past to win the Presidency, and of course winning it.