if we only had a wall to keep out these drugs pouring across our southern border

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  1. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 light & lethal

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    it would have done NOTHING because most drugs come through legal ports of entry. :shrug:
    But hey, "whatever floats your boat" as they say! HA! See what I did there? Ship with drugs coming into Savannah....floats your boat.....you get the idea. Anyway, looks like the price of coke might go up in Augusta for a while for the folks into that sort of thing.

    https://www.wrdw.com/content/news/O...ipped-through-Port-of-Savannah-511142621.html
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    Most drugs get smuggled in through legal ports of entry. That said, it would be nice if the Mexican drug lords would stop digging drug tunnels around here and if illegals would stop getting free transport by the smugglers if they act as human drug mules.

    Just saying.
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    then again the entire drug trade would come to a screeching halt if the demand went away! :yes: I don't care what people put into their bodies as long as they don't drive under the influence or otherwise become a public danger. But if the recreational drug users could see the nuts & bolts behind how their drugs eventually end up in their hands it might make them reconsider their activities. Out of sight, out of mind as they say. But I do find it funny when people don't realize there is a societal price to pay for them to enjoy their fun.

    Gee, where have we heard that last sentence before? ;) Reaping what we sow and all.
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    The wall won't fix any real issue. Trump just wants to stand in front of it for TV. He's like a TV show that keeps trying weird ratings stunts to stay relevant.
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    BizarroEnt Liberal Queen of TNZ

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    Maybe we should just legalize and tax drugs, it will create jobs, increase tax revenue and I'll finally have a reliable dealer.
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    You are aware that the average drug user would prefer legal methods for obtaining their drugs as it is safer and better overall. Drugs have been illegal for many decades in the US and most people are well aware that the business is given to gangs and criminals. Do you see drug use going away? Nope, it is not. This is because people want to consume drugs, and drugs work as intended. There would not be a societal price of funding and supporting criminals if drugs were legal.

    So do remember it is the prohibitionist crowd who makes drug sales the profit of criminal organizations by making the only source illegal. You are the cause of the societal problems behind drugs by supporting the drug war.

    So you are reaping what you sew by banning people from their freedom and making a crime out of nothing.
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    I agree! Treat all the drugs like booze. But until they do, anybody who uses illicit drugs shouldn't complain when drug dealers shoot up the neighborhood, since they are directly enabling them.
    Again, demand fuels the illicit drug trade. Don't buy it, they won't come around selling it.
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    I'm not banning them! I advocate legalizing drugs. But until they are legalized, be aware that you are enabling drug dealers who are often violent people in a cut-throat business.
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    Giving drugs to random people to cross the border would be a terribly insecure way of getting them across the border. Especially if you consider the value of the drugs would make them a temptation for the person to sell for money to start their life after crossing the border. At least on a plane or other transportation you could easily have people to meet the mule on arrival, but just crossing the border anywhere leaves the mule a means of escape, or in danger of being ripped off by others. It would make much more sense for members of the crime organization to be in charge of transporting mass quantities over the border as they could protect the shipment and orchestrate much larger quantities than a single lone person could carry.

    When you are considering larger shipments you need commercial level transportation and distribution. A single person can only get a certain small amount on themselves for foot transport. It makes for a nice and amusing story for movies or police shows, and might have been better in the past, but it would be much better to ship mass quantities through other means than to put them on Mother's and children and say go get across the border.
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    Have you met drug dealers? You probably have and never known it. Most of them are not shooting up the neighborhood. Most of the time you are not buying from a gang member. Yes, somewhere along the line that money buys guns and whatnot, but the real problem with shooting up the US and other countries are world military people playing police for the drug cartel, and gun owners shooting people in a fit of rage, or perhaps while on something. Our streets would be a lot safer if we could lower the number of drama shootings.

    There are a shit ton of drugs being sold around here, but the shootings are often based on some relationship or family problem over rival drug factions.
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    If only we could make our own drugs.
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    We have quite a few drug related shootings and armed robberies here in Augusta. But it makes sense I guess from the criminal's point-of-view - dealers have large amounts of cash/drugs to steal and it's not like they can call the cops to say they were robbed by another drug dealer! :lol: In the apartment complex my son lived in up until recently three guys broke in to a guys apartment to steal his ample supply of weed and hilarity ensued when they shot him dead . Two of the three did get caught fairly quickly. This was the next building over from my son's and bullets go through cheapo apartment walls very readily......not cool! :nono:
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    who says you can't? We have dozens of meth labs busted every year where I live.
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    That's not how drug deals work, you go to a guy's house and buy it. They aren't creepy around and killing people. You're confusing Scarface with real life, real life is not as awesome as Scarface.
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    I've never had much luck growing my own. I don't have a green thumb.

    Although one plant once grew outside my window because I'd dump ashes, stems and seeds out it. It got killed when someone cut the grass. My baby never had a chance.
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    my point is somewhere along the line gun toting long criminal record having folks are involved. The "guy's house" isn't the only link in the chain unless his business is completely self contained. Guarantee nobody is growing coca plants or poppy plants in "a guy's house" in Georgia. Correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of drugs are being moved along I-20/I-95/I-26 every day of the week and Boy Scouts aren't the ones moving it.
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    Of course, it's a supply chain and parts of it involve awful people. That's why I'd prefer it to be completely legal, so that doesn't happen. We'd have American produced drugs by Americans in America so it can be sent to American stores and sold to Americans. Nothing is made in America anymore, but we can have this.
    :volpone::bong::volpone:
    God bless America and God bless weed.
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    It does seem as if people believe what they see on TV about drugs. Really, when I read through the daily shootings it is often some domestic or drunken fight. Maybe drugs are involved in the decision making, but that is not drug dealing or sales.
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    Logistics of that type are bulk and far less of the trade than dealing. Your local distribution is going to be your manpower. The guys on the highway are not selling and their big risk would be law enforcement.

    You are not even making much sense here. The gang violence you refer to is done by people who barely leave their local area.
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    Such as running for POTUS?
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    also competition will ensure that the quality level remains high (no pun intended!)
    In a perfect world the US bans tobacco but legalizes weed. Pull up the tobacco plants, grow weed in it's place. No farmers out of work! Granted this is simplistic because I am not a farmer, but you get the idea.
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    There are plenty of spots that would be perfect, especially the southeast. Tennessee would be perfect.
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    So far it's been a disaster here... but, conservatives designing/running the show, so kinda inevitable.

    We can start with the lack of transparency in licensing private sector producers and distribution along with the obviously rigged "lottery" system for those licenses.

    supply chain through licensed distributors is constantly unable to meet demand.

    quality has ranged from "meh" to "there are fucking bugs in my weed!".

    over packaged.

    Risk to postal workers (government weed is via mail order, making them a delivery service).


    On the other hand, running stuff like blow or smack or whatever alphabetic combo through pharmacists, pharmacy business models, and possibly physician's records could only improve them.
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    Spaceturkey you can't spell hatred without "red hat"

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    Recreational weed is best grown in "green house" conditions, however food and industrial grade cannabis would be a great replacement for soy farming given the low requirements it has for soil quality... My understanding of tobacco growing is that it requires very rich soil that while better put to use growing vegetable crops isn't as profitable.
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    Weed is an odd crop because of the photoperiod response and autoflowering traits and how these interact with "quality" as regards product. There's a reason a lot of weed is grown indoors in the UK and other regions that lack a lot of sunlight.

    A student of mine really wants to do a project looking for weed ecotypes that give good THC under shorter daylengths, but the only legal weed industry sponsors in the UK only have indoor grow licences, so they couldn't make use of it anyway.