Discussion in 'Techforge' started by Parallaxis, Jan 27, 2010.
I suspect they're trying to go after the Kindle market.
Lots of people have to lug around a laptop in addition to their phone, swapping the iPad for their phone wouldn't be all that onerous. Especially since you can take advantage of the limitations (i.e. the size, the fact that its Skype and not a phone) to make yourself unavailable to the rest of the world, whenever you want. A buddy of mine works for a hospital (he's an IT guy, not a med type) and he's always having to deal with crap whenever he's out of the office because the people he works with know he's got an iPhone and thus can be reached in any of a number of ways. Switching to the iPad would enable him to reach them whenever he wanted to, but he could keep them at bay without catching flak for it.
You've got to be kidding me. If there are actually people out there that carry around a laptop as much as they carry around their phone, then I'm sure they wish they were dead anyway. People are not going to ditch their phone for a device that can't be carried around in their pocket.
I know plenty of people who lug around a laptop as much as they do a phone. College students do it voluntarily, but most of the folks I know do it because of work. They may not have the laptop on their person, but its always a short walk away from where they might be. My brother services Icee machines and he's got 2 or 3 laptops that he totes around because of work, and even on his "days off" he has them with him, because he'll invariably get a call that requires him to look at one of the machines over the internet or pull up a manual and the laptop allows him to do that, without having to worry about finding an open PC running the right version of Windows or whatever.
I concur. Also, if it's like the iPhone and iPod Touch, you must have Skype open for it to send and receive calls. If you leave Skype open all the time, you can't do anything else with the device. Kind of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Really? Do these people ever go out to a bar? Or a restaurant? Do they take their laptop to the mall to pick up a new pair of jeans? Or to the grocery store? College students definitely do not do that. They use the hell out of their phones though. Especially on the weekends when they're out.
Skype offers voicemail, and unlike a regular cellphone, since you can't do two things at once, when you don't respond immediately to the voicemail someone's left and their follow up email, they're not going to get all bent out of shape.
Of course, this tech writer thinks that the iPad makes sense, but only if you've owned an iPhone/iPod Touch.
Some of them that I know carry their laptop everywhere, the rest of them, have their laptop no farther than the trunk of their car, if its not in the same room with them.
Maybe I'm not understanding the tech properly...
But I know that many college students and even business folk use their laptops for actual work... writing reports, essays, doing spreadsheets, powerpoint presentations, etc...
How can you do any of that stuff without a physical keyboard? It sounds extremely tedious to have to touch screen everything you're typing.
I assume there is an attachable keyboard. And surely the thing has a disc drive...? And USB ports?
Skype is not a replacement for a cell phone, it's just not. You need to be able to receive calls at all times if you are a normal adult. People who have children and/or a job that requires them to stay in contact cannot rely on Skype, especially on an iPad that only runs one App at a time. In 2 or 3 years when they've worked out the bugs and beefed this thing up (added multitasking, a way better processor, given it a decent sized harddrive, and realize that adding an inch to the width for a true keyboard on screen is important) and the data network speeds have been beefed up as well, the iPad might be a nice thing to have. By then the battery life will have increased even more too and I imagine they will add things like USB ports, expansion ports, an SD Card reader, 2nd headphone jack, HD video out, and a pretty bad ass camera. And if Apple doesn't do it someone else will. I really like the idea of a slate computer but the technology isn't quite there yet. This thing really is just a large iPod Touch right now that has some nice expansions on current apps (calendar, picture viewing, and games).
The other thing I'm looking forward to hitting consumer markets on a mass and cheaper level is the Microsoft Surface.
It seems that I may have been judging the iPad too soon. I finally downloaded the Keynote address where Jobs introduced the iPad and it's capabilities. Honestly, I'd rather have a device like that instead of lugging around a laptop that feels like a rock after a while... and it also has a charging dock with a keyboard.
One thing it will need before I buy one is compatibility/support for Microsoft Office. While the iWorks suite looks great, but everyone in all the offices I work in uses Microsoft Office. If they can manage that, I most certainly will be in the market for an 1.5 lb, 0.5 in. thick iPad the next time I buy a laptop. The device is almost as capable... Well, It's capabilities are suited for my needs when it comes to mobile computing.
You can only do one thing at a time, that is enough of a deal breaker right there. A true laptop replacement HAS to multitask. Another thing I don't get is why they went with such a weak processor, even if they upgraded it to multitask it would start lagging.
My primary computer is a 17" laptop running Windows 7. At home, I've got it run through a docking station and it's connected to a 24" monitor via HDMI. Pretty much the exact same setup at the PD, albeit with slightly smaller monitor. But, ever since we went completely electronic, I work out of a flexible mobile office. That is, wherever I am with my phone and laptop, I'm in my "office."
The thing is, when you carry it around with you every day for nearly four years, you realize just how heavy and cumbersome this thing really is.
When I'm supposed to be "working", yeah, I lug it around in a backpack that hardly ever leaves the back of my vehicle unless I'm at home or the PD. For mobile computing, my iPhone has completely supplanted the laptop. I just don't need it.
Now, the iPad does show promise and I'd gladly take one if someone gave it to me. But, it just won't do what I need it to do. For work, I live and breathe Microsoft Office files and our secure intranet. It won't do either of those, so it's just not an option for me. If it ever gets to the point where it does, I'll go back to a desktop system for home and work and just use iPad v2.0.
I've got an Eee netbook. Its small enough I carry it with me maybe half the time--any time I think I'll be around free WiFi with some time on my hands. Its got Skype on it AND I can surf the web and work on a Word document at the same time. No touch screen, but such is life. I think it cost around $650 when it was new and the top-of-the-line model. Its probably around half that now.
That said, this new device is going to be a bit of an annoyance for AT&T. As the exclusive iPhone licensee in the US, people are going to tie the iPad to AT&T on some level. And since their latest ad campaign has been making a big deal about how you can multitask on AT&T devices this is going to confuse some people.
If I need a tablet computer, there are any of a number of more powerful, more effective PC based tablets available right now.
You can only multitask certain things, the iPod will run in the background of most things on the iPhone, and you can leave a phone call to do other things, but it's not really multitasking.
Underpowered it's not. It's based on the Cortex A9, which is a dual-core upgrade over the single-core A8 that powers the iPhone 3GS. The thing is arguably more powerful than the Apple TV.
Also, at least one journalist has said that Jobs told him, after the presentation, that the iWork suite can export to Office. I'd expect the same import/export caveats apply. Hell, I'm pretty sure you can already view Word and Excel documents on the iPhone.
YouTube does use Flash but it's so popular that TONS of devices out there support YouTube and not Flash in general. Most smartphones, video game consoles, and TV set-top-boxes that can play youtube content can not handle general Flash content.
Yes, only such lame trolls as "Windoze" or "M$" need apply.
I thought the rule was that tech brand related trolling/flaming was allowed?
My apologies if I am mistaken and that's not the case anymore... I haven't been checking out WF as much recently.
One article I read made the case for this being successful product for older people (think 50+).
Here are the arguments for that case, which I agree with:
Many older people have a hard time reading things on small phone screens, and therefore don't really get into them.
They also aren't particularly accustomed to computers or laptops in general, so the "book-like" paradigm is a lot more natural for them (Kindle has already proved very successful with older markets)
They don't want a computer: they are frustrated and confused by them. They want something that has a simple on/off button and is really simple to use (in this market, lack of multitasking can be a STRENGTH, not a weakness)
The touch interface is very natural, as there is no "layer of abstraction" in the form of a mouse, and the onscreen keyboard is easy for hunt-and-peck.
I can't really make a prediction on whether or not this will be a successful product (but I wouldn't bet against Apple... and the amount of hype around this launch is insane), but I will say that it doesn't appeal to me personally.
Here is a very well-written article that I believe has a lot of truth to it:
It talks about how "skilled" computer users of today are in an interesting position of being surrounded by people who are both older (our parents and grandparents) and younger (children) than themselves who are more comfortable with simpler, less powerful computer systems.
I was saddened to discover that, despite all the jokes I've heard, no Internet wag has photoshopped promotional material for an iPad Max.
There is a difference between saying "Apple is a faggot company" and "people who use Apple products are faggots."
One targets the company. The other intentionally trolls members on the board who use Apple products.
(insert MS for the reverse case)
The iPhone has a special end-around that lets you use YouTube with a special app that comes with it.
The iPad is just a giant-sized iPhone. There's no hyperbole there, that's all the stupid thing is.
The iPhone doesn't allow composition and editing of iWorks documents. You don't always get full websites either.
Like I said... if they can get Microsoft Office to work on it, I'd consider it.
Sure, it's technically different, but in reality, what's the implication of being a fan of a "faggot company" as you put it?
Describing something as a "faggot company" doesn't even make sense except in terms of "a company that fags like". If you ask me, both of those statements are in the same category of trolling/flaming for all rational purposes. In either case, it's not particularly productive...
Plus, most importantly, the phrase of choice in this case seems to be "WinDoze victims" which is describing the USER, not the product, and definitely falls into the same category.
Last but not least, you can find the old "macs are for fags" troll many times over here in Techforge... this thread was the first time I had seen anyone calling for it to stop.
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