Is math racist?

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  1. Rimjob Bob

    Rimjob Bob Wordforge's Least Competent Wokelord

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  2. Tererun

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    Well, that is a minefield.

    There is a reality that they have attempted to teach math in different ways because different student cognate the functions of math in different ways. The result of this development was called common core. KABOOM! conservative heads explode because their brains are not made for understanding multiple methods of getting an answer. (This is actually proven and I can cite the studies if you want to be insulted) Really all common core does is teach multiple ways of looking at the transfer of units to accommodate students who learn differently. Educators already know this, and the ideas of cultural difficulties with mathmatics are stressed in teaching curriculum in modern colleges.

    This is not a new thing. Dimwitted parents do not understand their children's common core assignments and then get all up in arms about liberals trying to indoctrinate children into something, when really it is liberals trying improved methods to reach more students.

    The next aspect i find to be a complete load of bullshit is that school is somehow penalizing kids for doing the work, and supporting kids who can just get the right answer and move on. This is different on standardized tests which do not credit for the attempt to do work. However, in the class the teacher will often credit students who do the long work on tests even though they might come up with the wrong answer.

    I have mixed feelings on that. On one hand you have to build the abilities of certain students to do the math, and the busy work drawn out writing of the problem is the base they have to build. OTOH I used to blow away standardized testing because I got the correct answer with a lot of it done in my head, and I also had poor grades on math tests where I had no desire to do the long work for an extra couple of points.

    I am sorry to the lesser students but math is one area where the right answer is not debatable, and if you do the long work and still get the wrong answer you are failing to be able to do math. It is not like writing a book report or regurgitating history where you could get some parts right and wrong, or there is a debate about the meanings of certain things. 2+2=4. It does not equal anything else. Sciences are based upon numbers being a constant. If you do not get the building blocks of math right you are wrong in anything based on it. Eventually, you have to come down to whether or not a student can perform math and get the correct result. If they cannot then they fail. Yes, a teacher is educated in different methods and attempts to understand the child and come up with ways to teach them differently so they understand, but the grades in class do mean something and if you cannot do the work you should not advance.

    There is nothing like sitting through chemistry or biology in college and having some dumbfuck in the front have to take class time asking the teacher how to add. That shit should have been covered already. If you do not get it than get out of other classes until you can understand some of the basic building blocks of science and technology.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    The way I do math in my head is pretty close to how it's taught in the "common core" method. The way I do it on paper is the way I was taught in school, which is different. But as Terererererererun says, 2+2=4 no matter how you get there. Math itself is not racist, it's about the most objective thing there is. Teaching methods can be racist, even if not deliberately so.
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  4. steve2^4

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    the way I do math is with a calculator.

    Algebra and calc on the other hand I don't do since school.

    Remind me what this thread is about?
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  5. Demiurge

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  6. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    My personal favorite:

    White supremacy culture shows up in math classrooms when... “Good” math teaching is considered an antidote for mathematical inequity for Black, Latinx, multilingual students. Instead... This reinforces either/or thinking by reinforcing stereotypes about the type of mathematical education that certain groups of students receive. It allows the defensiveness of Western mathematics to prevail, without addressing underlying causes of why certain groups of students are “underperforming,” a characterization that should also be interrogated. It also presupposes that “good” math teaching is about a Eurocentric type of mathematics, devoid of cultural ways of being.

    You know, because your culture depends on if the math is right. And of course math as it exists now is an expression of multiple cultures, with Hindi, Greek, and Arabic mathematicians forming the foundation of 'western' math.
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  7. Damar

    Damar Liberal Elitist

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    Laurence Fishburne already addressed this in Boyz n the Hood. Math is universal.
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  8. Faceman

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    Herman Cain, avid Republican and current dead guy, once touted the nine nine nine plan. And what is the 999 plan? It’s a way to tax everyone that disproportionately favors the rich and white while punishing the poor minorities.

    But wait there’s more. The ninth letter of the alphabet is K. And so, roughly translated, his racist tax plan is KKK.

    Coincidence? Or confusion?
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  9. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Just to let you know the ninth letter in the alphabet would be i. You could actually have easily counted that before posting such idiocy. Where did you get that joke from?
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  10. K.

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    Mathematics is indeed universal. Which is why the opposition to teaching it in an equitable fashion is so transparently partisan.
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  11. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    here is my math formula.

    Dividing by zero = god

    It works because god cannot be defined at this point of the equation.
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  12. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    And how is it not being taught equitably in US schools?

    The teaching is fine, it's the resource distribution that's clearly a problem. Doing a math proof is not 'white supremacy', not having adequate facilities may be.
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    “Math is racist because there is one right answer” reads like a parody, or maybe one of those hoax academic jargon papers that occasionally get published. I don’t see how it’s significant that this was “Bill Gates funded” either. He just happens to sponsor a lot of education programs, so no surprise if one or two turn out to be screwy in some way.
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  14. K.

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    And indeed it is a parody. What the group is actually criticizing is so unwelcome that Newsweek decided to quote several parodies BEFORE ever, and ever only partially, explaining what they actually said.
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  15. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    You might have noticed that I posted direct excerpts and the source material itself. That has nothing to do with the manner on which it was reported on. It exists as a thing unto itself.

    Once again, how is math not being taught equitably in US schools? How is teaching math in the manner white supremacy? Again, it is the teaching that is at issue here, and explicitly criticized.

    Anyone have an actual answer to this?
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  17. K.

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    I have never seen a US school from the inside. But "Maths is universal, therefore no maths lessons are bad" is obvious bullshit. "This group has said our maths lessons are bad, and here are some parodies of their argument rather than their actual statements" is obvious avoidance.
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  18. RickDeckard

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    I dunno. Maybe we'll find some anti-Semitic statements hidden somewhere in the Mandelbrot Set...
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  19. Diacanu

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    No, but my math teacher was.
    Okay, he wasn't MY math teacher, he was my study hall teacher, but he taught math.
  20. Faceman

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    Pretty sure you’re wrong.
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    Do the math Qanon.
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    I did. I got it right. I’m pretty sure you’re an uneducated muppet. I’m not listening to you try to mathsplain me.
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    Bored Lawyer Wins Court Case Defining K As Ninth Letter Of English Alphabet
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    Well that's how you're gonna get graded on college physics tests. Fourteen points for showing your work, one point for writing down the correct answer.
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    My work:

    Try to solve the problem, come up with a wrong answer (it doesn't matter which one), multiply by zero, and add the correct answer.

    It works, every time. :async:
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    I is the 9th letter, and K is the 11th letter. I think what @Faceman is getting at is that Herman Cain was trying to warn us about 9/11-9/11-9/11, in other words an event three times worse than 9/11. The current COVID death toll from CPAC 2020 alone is around 9,000 which works out to three times the number of deaths from 9/11. Coincidence? I think not. That's just plain math.
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    How many drugs did you have to do to get that good at stupid?
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    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Math is totally racist.

    I want to know why all those Asian kids kicked my ass in high school math class.

    :bailey:
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    They beat you up because they knew what your kewl Japanese tattoo actually meant.
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