Joe Biden simply isn't up to the task.

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  1. Rimjob Bob

    Rimjob Bob They call me Hard Bob, and you know why?

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    The weakness of this Dem regime really boils down to not having enough progressives in the Senate. There's barely a majority at all. This is why elections matter.

    I recall this was Dayton's wet dream for Pence to serve 10 years as president. :lol:
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  2. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor You know what time it is

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    Oh, that's not specifically a Bernie thing, that's more of a smug leftist thing exacerbated by the general awfulness of what constitutes the middle in American politics. I've been lumped in with the conservatives and fascists and racists more times than I can count for daring to suggest that third parties always promise more than they could ever plausibly deliver because they know that bill's never coming due, or for pointing out basic historical facts to leftists that clearly get all their information from Facebook memes.

    Amaris actually got worse after disowning Bernie. :async:
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  3. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Anyone who voted for Biden as the guy who would change things, or even fight to change things, was a fucking lying ass Biden Bro trying to get support for a man who ran on the promise not to change anything. That was his main point. We would go back as far as the corporate overlords wanted to pre-trump levels. That was never hope and change. That was just going back to shitty.

    He cannot even fight for his own shit. he has a huge corporate handout bill he is letting be separated from his supposed agenda. He is the fucking president who has to sign both infrastructure bills. How hard is it for him to say put them both on my desk at the same time or I do not sign either. Insteasd he got his handout to the businesses and is just letting the rest fall down and try to blame the reps. The people fighting for his agenda are the progressives. He does not care. At least a person like Bernie or Warren would have tried to fight for it.

    It is just who Biden is, and it is clear that moderate americans want the same old shit. They want corporate welfare. They want to have income redistribution to the rich. They enjoy being wage slaves.

    I get tired of fighting for it because I am not losing. Why the fuck am I going to fight for people who cut their own throats? If you want to get burdened with huge debt while trying to crawl out of poverty while the rich get corporate welfare? You can drown in the same gutter as the anti-vaxers. The primaries showed the Biden Bros are the same dumb fucks as the trumpanzees. You want the corrupt corporatist government, then OK.

    I got my place and I will die with financial comfort. I am probably not going to get raped, or have my boss ram his finger in a pussy I do not have. I am cool with tax breaks for my inheritance while the poor people get stripped of any nest egg their family built for them. It is great for Hunter Biden and the Trump kids too. Both of them are going to live off their dad's nepotism. My family's property has gates and security to keep the poor rabble out. Property values are going up for us.

    Don't change things. You have the power, I just suck off it. Bernie would have fucked my family out of millions for a bunch of ungrateful Biden Bro corporate slugs. Have fun without fairness and socialism. The cops come to my place fucking fast. Our places burn down we have insurance. My family gets sick, they have insurance. None of need Bernie or Warren, and it was for people who did need things like health care, education, food, shelter, and many other things to lift their lives up that I fought for them, and all I got was sand kicked in my face. Fuck you Biden Bros, you get what you voted for. Don't blame me for your life when the corporations come for you.
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  4. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor You know what time it is

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    Yup. Separation of powers is fine in theory, but I greatly prefer the parliamentary system where you don't get to lead the country or keep leading the country if you can't get core pieces of legislation passed regularly. Can't get a budget passed? It's election time again.
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  5. Shirogayne

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    All's I know is you'd have to look pretty hard to find a Warren supporter who is anywhere near as nasty as Bernie brats, who routinely speak over BIPOC and accuse those of us who supported another candidate of sticking on the plantation. :shrug:

    His stans wouldn't have been a dealbreaker for me, but if this was the first exposure to progressivism many older blacks* had, it's no wonder they wrote it off as Wypipo Problems and moved on.

    I presume by "smug leftism" you mean "smug white leftism," because for PoCs and other marginalized groups who can easily hide their status, what some 20-something college brat considers crumbs is a substantial life improvement. I didn't elect Biden out of any particular love for the guy. I voted because he was Not Trump and my life *is* marginally better for not having that screaming lunatic's every word being amplified and Latin children being afraid they're going to disappear at any moment (yes Tererun, I know Biden sucks on immigration but a five year old child need not be privvy to that). Ending the war was a net positive.

    I'll take my creature comforts for the short window we have them. Sue me :clyde: I already served this worthless country, I ain't fighting for it again

    *As an aside, American Blacks are largely Democrats but few embrace liberal ideas and would be joining the MAGAs at banning abortion and pushing gays back in the closet if they didn't work double time to push us away. :async:
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  6. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor You know what time it is

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    Unfortunately not, at least not in Canada. I've mentioned in other threads that some of the most frustrating and painfully ignorant leftists are the aboriginals and visible minorities that support the NDP or the Greens or who simply don't vote at all. They'd consider both you and I equally as bad as Trump or possibly Hitler because we voted strategically to keep conservative politicians from getting back into power. :clyde:
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  7. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne 1/06 Was An Inside Job Formerly Important

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    To some degree, I understand it. I know blacks here who don't bother because of the areas they live in are so gerrymandered and see no benefit to caring. I presume the liberal leaning party(-ies?) in Canada stop give a shit about First Nations the day after the election, much like black issues drop off the day a Democrat takes office.

    Can't say I agree with it but after Biden's election, I sympathize a lot more from people who have the most to lose. From cishet white libs who will fuck off to Europe when shit go south, not so much.
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  8. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    That is an interesting statement. I find a lot of millenial whites to be sort of hopelessly white. It hit me during OWS. I assume Bernie's support comes mainly from that community.

    I actually appreciate this explanation as it makes a lot of sense that there is a big disconnect between the supporters and the community. It goes down to the same problem I find in the trans and GLBT ally community and the damage they do to people in that community with their judgments of what GLBT means.

    We have to start recognizing that there is a SJW cancel culture on the left that cares much more about image than actually helping. That is not new from what I see as it would seem it was a complaint that happened during the civil rights and woodstock era of the boomers. A lot of those white boomers looked the other way when push came to shove in their lives. I am not shocked the black community saw their kids doing the same thing in their white areas and were done with them. As much as I think Bernie has some great ideas I think it would be much more important to have black people in his place, and not some woke white OWS kids. The dem party really walked away from another brown candidate for some mostly white people. Why wasn't there more black voices up there when we do need more black influence? Bernie cannot do it.

    Then my question becomes why wasn't harris floated higher than Biden? OK, she is not perfect, but she was a POC and Biden is certainly not.
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  9. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne 1/06 Was An Inside Job Formerly Important

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    There's a saying in the black community: "not all skinfolk are kinfolk." For a lot of TLDR reasons I'm not surprised that a black Californian native didn't carry the South and other heavily black areas. And I'm not upset to have a black woman in the VP spot but she's as centralist as Biden :shrug:
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    I am of the opinion that a top spot may not be the correct solution. I get the president has all sorts of people around to help, and the executive position has to be more efficient as a decider, but I think as this point we would be better with three and having them specialize in certain areas. A single person just cannot hold up the experience and knowledge for our whole country. I think Obama was the most worldly and intelligent president I have seen. I was too young to really know what carter was like. Over all the others Obama seemed to have a world of knowledge, but even he feel short in areas.

    With three people you would have a quick majority decision and you could easily defer to a single person for a priority emergency decision if needed. We are at that technical level where we can do more than when the country was created and you needed a single head person to look to. 3 people would still be a thoughtful decision that might take a little convincing, but not take the time of the legislature. It would also add more experience to make decisions upon. And also if you elected a new one on a 2 year cycle while having a 6 year term the media would get their forever elections.

    But that is just an idea. We really need more POC and female input in government as our lacking over the years has diminished their input to how society is going. White, cis, christian, males need to sit back and let other catch up for a bit. I am saying that knowing there is a lot of that in me too. Just the show of participation by non-WASP males in our government would do a lot, I think, for making everyone else feel like part of the system rather than a subject of it.
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  11. Bickendan

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    I, for one, am imagining what the first presidential election of Pacifica will be like, considering Manch
    Because we still have to pander to cishet white men on the popularity contest portion :(
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  12. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Harris is definitely to the left of Biden. She's just his VP, and has to follow his line. Her voting record in the Senate is very progressive.

    And your comment about wishing Manchin and Sinema would change parties is hard to understand. If that happens there is no chance to get anything done on your agenda, and you can absolutely write off yet another senate seat for the next several elections - no progressive is going to win in WV coal country.
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  13. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    As to the investigations, I have a sneaking suspicion that they will be culminating right around mid-terms. Funny how that works. :D
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  14. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Don't be a dick about the things you don't like

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    Even if Trump were (hopefully) thrown in jail, I honestly don't think it would change a lot of folks' minds when it comes time to mark their ballots.

    Nonetheless, it's important that these traitors get what's coming to them regardless of how some idiots decide to vote.
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  15. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    At this point, even if convicted with the evidence shown blatantly to the public they would still vote for trump in prison to own the libs. There is no low @Paladin , @Uncle Albert , and the rest of rightforge wont sink.
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    Uncle Albert doesn't vote.
    He sure has a lot of mouth flapping for someone with no skin in the game, doesn't he?
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  17. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    He doesn't vote? He is a convicted felon. A guy like that doesn't just not vote. He makes an excuse as to why he does not vote, when his vote has been taken away because he is a felon.
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    His excuse is this George Carlin routine.



    But don't think the felon thing never occurred to me.
  19. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    It doesn't have to change a lot of folks minds - these elections are decided by razor thin margins in the contested states. It might make people who were going to vote GOP simply not show up - and that helps all down the line.

    And of course I agree Trump should be in a jail cell ASAP. But I think there's more impact to the outcome of the midterms if it happens then.

    But we'll see.
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    Maybe not a progressive, but I'd settle for someone who isn't a complete obstructionist toolshed or a paid plant from the GQP.

    As it stands now, they are functionally no different than having a right winger in the seat for all the good they do for their constituents. :clyde:
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  21. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor You know what time it is

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    As a Canadian it's absurd to me that a politician can run for and win one parties nomination, receive their help to win the general election, and then need to be bribed or pressured into actually voting for any bills put forward by that party that were part of the national platform. :async:
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  22. Spaceturkey

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    TBH-I'm more disappointed by the Quebec ridings that flipped from NDP back to BQ this year.

    otherwise, well...

    CON
    33.7% popular percentage
    5,742,605 actual number of votes


    LIB
    32.6%
    5,556,491


    NDP
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    yet somehow the NDP has fewer seats than the BQ? let alone only 25 compared to the 119 or 160 of the Cons or Libs?

    the system needs some updating, like weighted balloting and equalization based on population.
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  23. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    So we need to gain seats in 2022. Neither Manchin or Sinema is going anywhere before 2024, UNLESS it's over to the GOP.

    Not having Senate Majority Leader McConnell is a BIG deal. Your dreams for the rest are irrelevant for another 4 years at least. There is no recall for Senators in either state.

    I agree, I'd prefer someone else, but reality is reality.
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    Well, if he's impotent, he can't by definition be hard.
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    We can hope that enough Trump voters were killed by Covid to make a difference. After all Trump won because of 80,000 voters in three key states. Maybe there were enough Trump/anti-vaxxers out of the 700,000 dead so far to shift things a bit... :bergman:
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  27. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor You know what time it is

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    I seem to recall Republicans very recently gloating over New York losing a congressional seat by being a few hundred people short and pointing out that covid had killed more than that number of New Yorkers in the months preceding the relevant count. :shrug:
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    Wait. Are you suggesting Democrats interceded in the choices made by idiots?
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    You’re right, Joe Biden isn’t going to save American democracy. That’s up to all of us as Americans. It’s human nature to want to see a big payoff with wrongdoers punished and justice restored, but the reality is it’s going to take a lot of patience and a steady, firm resolve. Meanwhile the last thing I want is for the President to be tweeting about how DINO Joe Manchin needs to get with the program. It’s unseemly and it wouldn’t be effective anyway.
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    That's unfortunately not going to happen. A significant portion of Americans have already demonstrated that they are incapable of intelligent or rational thought.
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