Just Because you can own a gun....

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  1. Volpone

    Volpone Zombie Hunter

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    OK. First off, who is the "gun lobby" and do you have links to support your claim?

    While we're waiting, though, here's a couple articles to get you started: You can see what Breitbart has to say or, if you don't trust them, here's essentially the same story from Mother Jones.

    Finally, just what do you suggest the "gun lobby" do to "get behind" enforcement? Bake cupcakes to send to Eric Holder? Perhaps a better question might if we can get the US Attorney General behind enforcement, given his awkward smuggling guns to Mexican drug dealers and then covering up the investigation related to it. :marathon:
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  2. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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  3. MikeH92467

    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    Don't throw Eric Holder at me.I'm on the record here as calling for Holder's firing after Fast and Furious broke. Rather than just saying "gun lobby" let's put it this way: would politicos who supported beefing up NICS find themselves on the receiving of a concerted campaign by pro gun interests to vote them out?
  4. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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  5. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I got no problem with beefing up NICS and making it the be-all and end-all final check before a shopkeeper hands over a gun.

    But wait, isn't it liberals who are afraid that including mental health records in databases will stigmatize people and make them not want to seek help?
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    We're you? Seriously I thought I recalled you saying that folks like us that were talking about it were full of it and making it up. If you weren't saying that then my apologies.

    Again, please define "beefing up NCICs"

    But to answer your question, it depends on how "beefing up NCICs" is defined. If you mean beefing up the hardware and software, making sure that data is updated instantly, thus eliminating the "provisional approvals" that are caused by ineptitude, then sure go for it, and no one would suffer for that. However it is way down the list of problems, way behind enforcement of existing law. Now can we get back to that fiasco?
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I would need more information first. But the fact that it was once used to keep guns from blacks doesn't automatically mean it can't be repurposed. A lot of gun laws have similar origins -- people didn't like seeing Black Panthers openly carrying. But that doesn't mean we should repeal these laws willy nilly. As long as they are no longer applied in a discriminatory fashion, we can evaluate on other bases.
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  8. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    You can bet your ass that they will be used in a discriminatory fashion.

    That's the way government works. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
  9. MikeH92467

    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    My own thoughts about Fast and Furious were one thing. My thoughts about Eric Holder's handling of it were something else. If you care enough you can look it up...if you don't, take my word for it, I did say I thought Holder should be fired. (Still do)
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  10. Volpone

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    So riddle me this: How would your "beefed up NCIS check" have prevented this?

    It sounds like the shooter was legally allowed to own a gun. If so, then the NCIS check would still allow him to have a gun. If he wasn't allowed to own a gun did he, in fact, buy it and the NCIS check failed to catch him? Or did he acquire it through other illegal means? If the latter, again, a "beefed up" check would have no effect. :marathon:
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    Any law from which any politician is exempt is a discriminatory law.
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    I do recall people saying that, but to be fair, I don't recall Mike being among them. IIRC, that particular crowd was gul, Turdin and one other but I'm not 100% on the third lunatic.
  13. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    NCIS is a TV show. NICS is the National Instant Check System.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    You recall incorrectly, because I wasn't posting at Wordforge when that shit went down.
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    Oh no, they love them.

    They're more easily duped. :ramen:
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    oldfella1962 high speed, low drag

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    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    Seems to me like I suggested that everyone involved with the case, including Holder should be fired. I'd have to look that up. Of course, I did have the audacity to suggest that there was a trail back to the GWB Administration, which would help those who want to put me in a particular pigeonhole on this issue.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    I do not think that means what you think it means...
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    Viewed the link. Awesome! Love the part about the gun grabber initiators being in the front of the grabbing rank and file. Could get interesting.
  21. Volpone

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    Guess we're not going to get an answer on how "beefed up" background checks would have prevented this (or even what beefed up background checks means) to the poster. :(

    This seems to be a common problem with liberals: They hear some soundbite from John Stewart or Chris Matthews and they just turn their brains off and lap it up. Then they get upset and angry if anyone tries to understand their perspective because that is when they realize they don't actually understand their perspective themselves. :clyde:
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    What's the over-under on how many times Volpone mentions "John Stewart" per week?
  23. MikeH92467

    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    Why indulge your effort to derail this thread?
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    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    He does have a valid point. You're going to have a clean record until you do something that gives you a history.
  25. Volpone

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    I'm not trying to derail this thread. I'm trying to figure out what this thread is about. You post some article about some hothead misusing a gun. When people roll their eyes at another gun ban thread you say you don't want to ban guns and instead make some oblique reference to "beefed up" background checks. Then when people try to figure out what you're talking about as far as background checks--or how they might relate to your original post--you come back with not wanting to "derail the thread."

    Could you please tell us what the thread is supposed to be about so we won't "derail" it?

    Do you even know?
  26. MikeH92467

    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    Just what I expected. The gun lovers point to "laws that aren't being enforced". Then when a specific law is brought up by the gun lovers as something that isn't being enforced, they start pointing out that it's a bad law anyway.
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    You have completely lost me. What gun law have you pointed out? All you have said "beefed up NCICs". We keep asking what that means.
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  28. Muad Dib

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    What law did I point out that's not being enforced? :unsure:
  29. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    I don't think he knows.
  30. MikeH92467

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    I didn't bring up NICS. Someone else did. I don't know anything about it. I don't know whether its possible to "beef it up" or not. I did wonder if "beefing it up" (Whatever it is) would require new money that would be unpopular with some people.