Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by The Ghost of Crazy Horse, Jul 4, 2017.
That's interesting to know. Still doesn't change that he's a troll here.
My sole purpose isn't to piss people off and it's not what makes me happy, it's a hobby.
Okay, then don't fucking complain because things never get better. Because dick waving doesn't move the needle, it just encourages more dick waving.
see I guess I'm weird (in more ways than one) but I never really got the "what joy I take in seeing my political opponents pissed off" mentality, particularly as to be motivated to piss them off more. Whichever side I may be on, may greatest joy is in persuasion, not contributing to animosity.
I guess it's why I was never a good troll, and never wanted to be. There's enough "pissed off" in the world without creating more on purpose.
Well, I don't do it in real life, just here and even here it's only on occasion, on purpose that is. I did it a lot at TBBS though.
Nice necro, now can you bring @Zombie back to life?
Indirectly? Yes. They always fall on the side of the rich and powerful given free reign to manipulate markets and harm communities. They're never about civil liberties or freedoms because the group they represent already has the freedom to largely do whatever they want.
I know of one Republican libertarian who actually held true to his values and they chased him out of the party for it.
if anyone ever doubted libertarianism is the ideology of snotty, socially impotent, self entitled man babies...
here's a notion... try pissing off the cons instead.
or even better. Just piss off.
Grownups realize that your libertopia is just an armed kleptocracy wet dream
Is there a reason why you're bumping this thread?
@Federal Farmer what would be your 3 favorite things about a Libertarian society
You would be arguing total bullshit. The Founding Fathers might well be in tune with the claims that modern Libertarians make about their philosophy but some 230 years on, do you really think they would have the same opinions on every issue today that they had then? Do you really think they would think they had covered every possible issue that would crop up in the interim years between then and now? Unlike today's Libertarians, I think they are smarter than that.
When @The Night Funky responds to my question, I'll respond to @Ten Lubak and @MikeH92467 's questions.
My questions are mostly rhetorical. If you feel the need to answer them, by all means do, but the very idea that the Founding Fathers can be used as justification for the modern sophistry known as Libertarianism is so ridiculous on its face (and so childish) that no answer is really required.
I don't think you understand how message boards work.
@The Night Funky is under no obligation to respond to you.
You, on the other hand, may or may not choose to respond to @Ten Lubak or @MikeH92467
I stand by my statement.
Too bad. I was really looking forward to your defense of such a dumb position.
I too am a very smart man and think that people who literally owned other people would be in favor of maximum liberty for all.
Does it matter? Let's throw out three possible reasons why I bumped this thread:
1.) I was doing a search for something, this was the only thread that came up in response to a particular term, so I bumped it.
2.) I deliberately sought out this thread to troll you and bumped it for that reason.
3.) I happened upon this thread, and in light of all that's happened since it was posted, I wondered if you'd changed your opinion about any of the things that you said in it.
Which of those (or some combination of, if any) are true, doesn't change the fact that the thread's been bumped.
It matters in that it dictates what my response to post #36 is. If it is simply to troll me then my answer is go fuck yourself. If it legitimate inquiry then I have a different response.
I couldn't agree more. Both sides seem to always make this mistake when judging the founding fathers. You can't judge them in the context of 2020. You have to judge them in the context of the time that they were living in. What they came up with was very radical for its day. Could they have done more? Who knows? Would the population of that time allowed them to? But they were certainly not conservative nor libertarian by 2020 standards. Otherwise they would have left things the way they were and never started a revolution in the first place.
There's no such thing as a libertarian society so I can't answer your question.
.... uh I wonder why that is? Anyway, the question was framed as a hypothetical (note the "would be") so there's no reason not to give a hypothetical answer.
Lower taxes, less government and less regulations. Happy now, smart ass?
What will you continue to collect taxes for and what will you do with those?
What do you plan to do with the fallout when you stop paying for the things you choose not to pay for?
This is such a bullshit thing to say. What do you mean by "less government"?
[Fewer] Less regulations
Which regulations are you going to cut?
In my experience, most Libertarians are teenagers who have yet to experience the real world.
I'm not judging them in the context of 2020. What I should have said that a lot of libertarian thought (taxes, civil liberties, etc..) grew out of the writings of some of the founding fathers. This quote from James Madison for example aligns well with libertarian thought.
“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” That's not me saying that Madison would be a libertarian if he were alive today.
What do you mean by "less government" and "less regulations"? What parts of the government do you think should be done away with and why? What regulations do you think should be eliminated and why?
Separate names with a comma.