Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Paladin, Jun 28, 2018.
No, because that's colossally stupid. Nothing will "legitimize" the idea of attacks on anyone.
that's funny right there! True though, we have enough bad guys right here born & bred inside our borders to keep us busy for a long, long, time.
Really? So when someone commits, say, a racist or terrorist act it's not because of the rhetoric they've been fed? We've already seen a documented rise in racism and normalising of bigotry among the alt-right and similar. Hell, we even saw an acute example of it in Charlottsville where a white supremacist emboldened by Trump murdered a counter protester. I really don't see how you can say political rhetoric doesn't contribute. Hell, the political and public apathy to gun violence helps normalise these sorts of attacks as well.
It's naive to think there is no connection.
Given that 38% of murders are committed by blacks, while 31% are committed by whites, in terms of mass shootings, whites are far out-performing blacks. Assuming the factors leading to murder are similar, shouldn't one expect those numbers to be similar?
You want to be the one to tell the MAGA zombies that? Better wear Kevlar.
The Virginia Tech shooter idolizing the Columbine shooters in his diaries, that didn't happen, we both just hallucinated it.
I took this really strong mushroom that telepathied across the Atlantic ocean, and got you too.
Nothing ever really happens.
It's all an illusion.
if you (as an individual) are influenced by rhetoric from either the left or the right you are weak willed and pathetic. If you are able to be "emboldened" by any political figure you don't have a mind of your own and are a fucking idiot. Just my two cents.
Whites are better killers.
Propaganda has been an effective tool for centuries.
It's all very well saying that. But does that mean you just ignore that there are plenty of "fucking idiots" out there who do listen to rhetoric and do act on what they hear? I mentioned the Charlottesville murder above. Last year in the UK we had two examples of people who had been following the likes of Tommy Robinson and the British far right and tried to kill Muslims by running them down with cars, one successfully. There was clear rhetorical influence there. Then there are groups like ISIS whose main recruiting method is political rhetoric and have influenced people to independently commit violence. How about the Incel guy who murdered people in Canada and cited a previous Incel guy as an influence and had been listening to Incel rhetortic online?
Just because you don't consider yourself able to be influenced by rhetoric to commit violence, it doesn't mean others aren't.
so tell me Garamet how I am influenced by rhetoric any more than you are. Connect some dots - back up your claims that my behavior (boring as it is) has been influenced by any political rhetoric.
True, I may not agree with everything you do (which seems to be the unforgivable sin by most of those on the left) but newsflash.....spoiler alert.....your shit does indeed stink.
So everyone should stop discussing their views and ideas because people might be influenced? So who decides what is acceptable to talk about? You and those who believe the same way that you do?
Fuck if this isn't Fascism I don't know what is. Damn you seem to have it mastered dude. At the least you have the "nanny state" nailed. People are so fucking weak willed that they need the government (their version of it of course!) to limit what they can hear. Iron that brown shirt up real nice there kid!
Who said anything about shutting down speech you Dayton level moron?
How about people take responsibility for what they say? I think that is the point.
CHICAGO, DETROIT, BLACK PEOPLE !!!!!
Goal post shift, much? The question was whether these things might "help legitimise the idea of attacks on press offices".
You think these things make these attacks legitimate? You're nuts.
Not in El Chup's mind. In the "minds" (and I use the term judiciously vis-a-vis MAGA zombies) of Trumpsters, who aren't known for their verbal skills, it amounts to "Hey, fuck 'em! They can't say these things! We gotta equalize this here sitcheeation! Bring yer tools, Cletus. We gonna rectimafy this here!!"
You’re looking for mustache twirling evil, an obvious edict. You won’t find it because people will reject it. What they won’t reject so quickly are appeals to patriotism, duty, and the Greater Good.
People have done horrendous things in the name of a God.
Goal posts moved again. Someone should sink those fuckers into the ground a little deeper. Next thing we will be doing genetic analysis to say people like Dylan roof had a black ancestor somewhere so he was really a black mass shooter.
That is nice when you cherry pick 20 shooters from the past few decades. I could say this is a white girl problem considering one of the original school shooters was a white girl in the seventies who didn't like Mondays if I were to be as intellectually dishonest as Paladin. Maybe we should change Paladins name to Palin given his propensity for dishonesty in these threads.
However, white or black really does not matter when we could limit these shootings and criminal gun possession and use by slowing the raging torrents of guns in public by stopping the river from legal gun owners and manufacturers by forcing some much stricter regulations and holding gun owners and salespeople responsible for their weapons use by others. When we can jail store clerks for selling beer or tobacco to minors or drunks and we cannot jail a clerk for selling a gun to a person with a criminal record who shoots up a school there is a problem. When we can jail a person for giving a beer to minors, or allowing them to obtain alcohol from their stash, but we cannot hold them responsible for when a minor gets a gun from their arsenal there is a problem with how we apply laws.
If we start by jailing dealers and people who negligently loose weapons we will see people secure their weapons and the ones who do not will no longer be free to leave weapons out. That will make it harder to steal guns overall and there for make guns less available for all gun crimes.
I'm not dishonest, intellectually or otherwise.
@Tuckerfan implied that the shooter being a white male was expected. (It's virtually a given that mass shooters are male.)
I replied only because an American male chosen at random is likely to be white.
@Tuckerfan responded that in 56 out of 97 mass shootings, the shooter was white. That's about 58%.
Whites are either 62% or 77% of the male population, depending on whether "white Hispanics" are counted.
Either way, whites are underrepresented among male mass shooters.
That this guy modified his fingerprints to make identification hard or impossible probably means it is not a domestic issue.
I’ve read that he’s been identified by facial recognition but they haven't officially identified him yet.
so again...who decides what is "responsible" speech and what isn't? Should we trace back every violent act and determine what specific speech influenced their behavior? Please tell me how that is even remotely possible counselor.
David Berkowitz claimed his neighbor's dog was giving him telepathic instructions to kill. Start there. Then let us know when you're up to speed with "Some people shouldn't be allowed to run with scissors, much less have gunz," mmkay?
How does that follow?
In @Zombie's little brain, he's got to be a Muslim sleeper agent.
Modified his fingerprints. Sounds like this guy was on a mission.
Oh no, cherrypicking twenty non white people from decades of mass shooters to pretend white people do not have a huge hand in mass shootings is not intellectually dishonest at all. Thank you Palin, but that sort of dishonesty simply is meant to pretend the problem lies with brown people alone and distracts from real solutions which would make it harder for everyone including brown people to get a hold of guns for these purposes, and to jail those responsible for allowing their guns to get into the hands of criminals and minors by accident.
But do keep pretending this is a problem with black people. The mass quantity of guns in crimi also hands have to come from somewhere, and the gateway is legal gun owners and resales who are predominantly white.
yes, I can do simple math (how about you?) and certain zip codes have higher rates (math again, try to keep up) of gun violence. Who lives in these zip codes is not my concern. You seem to be interested in the race of the zip code residents. That seems to be a common problem with the left, don't feel bad.
Or he just didn't want his Mom to end up with reporters on her lawn.
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