more treason from Trumpettes

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  1. Spaceturkey

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    Reposted from a retweet from the chicken coop... (sorry, no link)


    Hyperbole is dead and buried, right next to truth, justice and the American way. Both sides are NOT the same - THEY NEVER WERE - and what’s happening in America today isn’t “just politics.”

    “There’s been a lot of handwringing in the media pundit corps and centrist politicians these days about the loss of comity, post-Kavanaugh. And then Donald Trump made them all look absurd with his remarks at his rally last night. Thread follows.

    'You don't hand matches to an arsonist and you don't give power to an angry left-wing mob, and that's what they've become. Democrats have become too extreme and too dangerous to govern. Republicans believe in the rule of law, not the rule of the mob.'

    “This is a remarkable moment in American politics: The President of the United States just declared an entire political party fundamentally illegitimate. And the media are treating it as just another of Trump’s crazy things. I’m almost surprised that, after the remark about the rule of the mob, Trump didn’t then lead the crowd in a chant of “Lock her up!” That’s how brazen they have become.
    But this is the state we are at now. One side of the political aisle, and only one, appears intent on provoking a violent civil war in America. And it is the party currently in power. Sure, they like to claim that the Left is planning to provoke a civil war. You can find all kinds of people saying that, including Tucker Carlson. But no one on the left actually talks about it or, for that matter, really even thinks about it much. There are no left-wing pundits talking about civil war. But you can find dozens of right-wing pundits doing so.

    “They pay lip service to denying that they hope for it, but their constant obsessing and chatter about it tells us otherwise. Especially when they fantasize about the better world that would emerge afterward. Of course, the most prolific promoter of the “civil war” idea is Alex Jones and his Infowars operation: But it has spread everywhere on the right, including to Fox News (see Carlson above) and to Rush Limbaugh.

    “Mind you, this is nothing new for Limbaugh. He made nearly an identical claim back in 1995 after the Oklahoma City bombing occurred. Indeed, as I explain in some detail in [Alt-America, The Rise of the Radical Right in the Era of Trump], the militia/Patriot movement is where the whole “modern civil war” idea originated, and it has remained largely alive in the same sector in the intervening years.

    “It gained real life in the Tea Party movement, which hosted organizations like the Oath Keepers that openly discussed preparations for a civil war. This is also where we saw it become common for people to talk among themselves about killing liberals.

    “Let’s also not forget radio host Michael Savage, an early and prominent Trump supporter. He published an entire book dedicated to essentially fomenting a civil war (under the guise of preventing one). In the run-up to the 2016 election, this kind of talk intensified. Militias especially were planning a violent resistance to a Clinton administration. Recall especially the Kansas militia gang that planned a McVeigh-style truck bombing of a community of Somali Muslims in Garden City. Their plans called for the attack to take place the day after the election.

    “This kind of talk became common among not just militia types, but spread to rank-and-file Trump supporters as well. After Trump won, it only took a week or two for them all to shift gears and begin preparing to act violently in Trump’s defense. They ginned up the whole "violent radical left" storyline in the run-up to Trump's inauguration. Now when you hear talk about a civil war, it is most common in the context of preventing his impeachment.

    “And now we have gangs of heavily armed right-wing thugs, largely outsiders from rural and exurban areas, invading liberal urban centers with the full intent of provoking violence so that they can portray the American left as innately violent. I’ve covered about a dozen of these events. I hang out among the alt-righters and militiamen who populate that side and listen to them. They all are brimming with eagerness to beat the shit out of liberals, and they’re prepared to kill if they deem it necessary.



    The Proud Boys are a classic proto-Brownshirt operation in the formative stages. Look at the shirts their members have been wearing to the “free speech” events they organize with the intent of provoking a violent response. (graphic t-shirt text: PINOCHET DID NOTHING WRONG). What does that mean? Well, Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet murdered thousands of his own citizens in the 1970s simply for opposing him politically. He had right-wing death squads do most of the dirty work.

    “A number of these murders occurred when the death squads would drop political dissidents from great heights out of helicopters. Thus the back of the T-shirt (stick figures falling from a helicopter). Which is now sold as official Proud Boys gear. Moreover, all these shirts are being printed with a logo calling them “Right Wing Death Squads.” There’s even a webpage devoted to their apparel. Google it.

    “So now the faction that has long fantasized about civil wars is openly fantasizing about murdering their fellow Americans by various means, most of them as cruel as a good psychopath can dream up. These folks are fanatical authoritarians. And they are entirely right-wing. There is no counterpart to this on the left. Even the most rabid anarchist/ communist/ whatever group doesn’t direct this kind of rhetoric at its opponents. Moreover, the far left is a tiny and powerless faction. Unlike the alt-right.

    “Moreover, it is the far right that now controls all three houses of government in the United States. And the most powerful of all, the president, has a long habit of using eliminationist rhetoric to attack his opponents: “Lock Her Up!” was just one of many such. Now he is describing half of America – the larger half that did not vote for him, and which now opposes his agenda at every turn – in such terms.

    “Dismissing them as a “mob” and suggesting that they not only cannot govern but cannot BE governed is lethally dangerous. Yet to hear the centrist media figures and their favorite subjects, centrist politicians, discuss all this ferment, you would think that both sides are engaging in this kind of prewar rhetoric. It’s absurd.

    “So, listen up, Chuck Todd, Evan McMullin, Susan Collins, and every other hand-wringing centrist wannabe: IT’S NOT BOTH SIDES. Only one side is trying to gin up a civil war in this country. Only one side talks about it. Only one side buys caches of guns to prepare for it. Only one side is sending clusters of activists into politically opposing communities with the intent of stirring up violence. Only one side makes up memes celebrating the murder of the other.

    “So when we talk about the lack of civility in our common discourse, it’s important first to understand that that particular horse fled the burning barn many many moons ago. And again, it was not the left that lit the match. More to the point, their concern presupposes that both sides remain interested in democracy and normative political discourse. That is only true of one side in all this. The right has made clear that it has no such interest. It is their authoritarian way, or the highway. Or given enough time and enough destruction of democratic norms at their proto-fascist hands, it will be their way or the helicopter.

    “All of this is being normalized by hand-wringing centrists and their "bothsiderism." So it would be nice if centrists recognized that their ideology (built around a logical fallacy – the Fallacy of the Middle – in any event) has failed them. It would be nice if they awoke to the reality that the radical right intends to target them just like the left. Or haven’t they yet noticed that simply disagreeing with the radical right gets you labeled a “leftist”?

    Centrists may not be first in line, but they too eventually will become targets of right-wing authoritarians, especially those in power. Unless, of course, they all just bow their heads and fall in line. Which is what, eventually, they all seem to do anyway.”
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    so where are all these "right wing death squads?" :chris: not asking you specifically space turkey since the article refers to the US.
    They sure aren't very active & effective where I live because so far ZERO murders/violent acts have been committed by any groups of white (I assume) people, especially against liberals. Anybody here on wordforge seen anything on the local/regional/national/world news about right wing death squads murdering people? I follow several news sources left, right & neutral and I don't think I'd forget hearing about something like that. I think this is a case of "they haven't done anything yet, but just wait.....they will!" :dayton: Or more likely a case of steaming bull shit.
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    The article refers to these in their "formative" stages and names them, you know. YMMV but yours is a fairly stupid question.
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    I don't know what YMMV means. Anyway I read the article more thoroughly and see references to South America. Well no surprise there, South & Central America have always been chock-full of politically motivated groups causing death & mayhem. :zzz:
    Sorry, apples & oranges at best.
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  6. Spaceturkey

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    Every single one of these things is covered in the OP.

    Do you think about these twists and omissions or is this honest obliviousness to what you imply you just read?
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  7. Spaceturkey

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    appears your "victim" committed assault/attempted murder with a car (a la Charlottesville) and then stopped to be a tough guy...
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    okay I just read every word of the article. Big fat :zzz: of shrill overreaction & paranoia. As for "it's not both sides!" :shakefist:
    the author can kiss both sides of my ass. Actually though thanks for posting this puddle of lib tears :weep: and piss :shep: because this ensures I will show up to vote. :yes: mission accomplished space turkey!
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    so you'd side with those who'd proudly claim "Pinochet did nothing wrong"?

    noted.
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    So, not a word avout the violent mob surrounding the car and attacking it?
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    you mena after he committed an assault?
    looked more like that "violent mob" was a demonstration (attended by police, as shown in video) that he (along with others) chose to plow through, striking at least one person. What I didn't see was anyone hit him... his car, sure. But the crowd is audibly calling for him to be detained for police, not injured.
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    you got me there - I don't give a fuck about Pinochet. But I do give a fuck about right wing murder squads north of the Mexican border & south of the Canadian border. Thank goodness that kind of shit will never gain a foothold here except in the fertile imagination of the hypnotized psychotic left.
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    Ahh, yes, more it's the other side not my side! Reality is not on your side.
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    you don't give a fuck about Pinochet (and the associated history there) and then call lefties hypnotized psychotics?
    Na dude... By that logic, neither did Bin Laden, Santa Anna, or Noriega.
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    You listed some evil people in other countries.....and your point is what exactly? :unsure: Just because X happened before (and will happen again) somewhere else doesn't mean X will happen in the US. At least not in our lifetimes that's for damn sure. Our system of checks & balances & our position of affecting a HUGE percentage of the world's economy means it takes a lot to upset our apple cart. You can envision a worst case political scenario happening in the US if you want to, but I'm sure not going to sweat it. :storm:
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    Looking at the above exchange, it popped into my head to ask if anyone is properly scared yet. The foolish will soldier on, oblivious to everything, tossing out whataboutisms and essentially condoning that which they would have screamed about a decade ago. It's settling in. It's normalizing. Soon it will seem reasonable to see people locked up for having differing political opinions because you just don't know what they'll do, and they won't lock people up for differing political opinions, that would be *too* on the nose. Rather, they'll lock them up for whatever reason garners the most outrage, and the people will nod their heads and chant freedom, freedom, freedom while they sell out their rights to those who will oppress them further.
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    Kavanaugh isn't the end of the world. Yes, he will likely end federal protections for abortion rights, yes, he will likely be very partisan (News flash: the court is already hyper partisan see Bush vs Gore) but, no, we are not on the verge of mythic "fascism" just like we were not on the verge of mythic "socialism" when the ACA passed.

    Both sides are full of mindless screachers pretending the end is near.
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    Dems will take the house and then we will see the system work as intended.
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    The Democratic base will be energized, but the Republicans will likely swing most of the moderates using the supreme court nomination hearing as fodder, primarily because people are still conditioned to believe that wealthy white men are looking out for them, and that women who call out their abusers are milking it for fame and money, so I think the GOP will maintain their control.
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    We shall see.
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    yes, it is pretty scary what might happen if the Democrats win in 2020. :shep:
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    There'll still be an election in 2024?
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    You joke, but that's because you will remain unaffected. Women, members of the LGBTQ+ community, Muslims, immigrants, all at risk. You? You wouldn't know what was going on if it happened next door.
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    bull...fucking...shit that members of these groups are any more "at risk" than they would be under any other president.
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    Thank you for giving us an example, but it wasn't necessary.
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    If conservatives just stuck to economic issues and stopped trying to strip the rights of everyone who isn’t a rich, white, straight cis man, I wouldn’t have any problem with them. I’d disagree, but it would just be about what’s better for the country. But they don’t want that, they want to limit the rights of other Americans and it affects me personally. They’re a threat to my future in this country and I’m very worried about that. Not that a single conservative gives a shit about that or anything really. They think being told they can’t use slurs publically is an attack on their rights, yet are more than happy to use laws to punish people for existing. They’re the worst kind of hypocrite.

    It’s not like there are Muslim bans, constant attempts to strip transgender Americans of the most basic of rights, LGBTQ federal employees losing legal protections and outright promises to ban abortion. Seriously fuck off and do like all old men and die. I honestly don’t know if you’re just that oblivious or you’re a fucking liar. Either is sickening.
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    you are such a lovely beam of sunshine. You should write for Hallmark Cards! As for fucking off & dieing I'll probably still be around when you implode from rage & bitterness.
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    If conservatives just stuck to economic issues, they’d be libertarians. Yeah, I’m down with that.
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    I’m not bitter or filled with rage. I just have empathy and it hurts me to see others suffer or live in fear. I know my side is going to win in the end, what we’re seeing now is the last gasp of a small group who is rapidly losing power and trying their hardest to take as much as they can because they know time is running out. The only bitterness and rage I see is from your side. Angry old men screaming because people are telling them no for the first time. Demographics are changing and younger generations find your beliefs to be absurd. So have fun while you can, you won’t have long.
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    good luck with that! See you at the voting booth I guess. :D
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