Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Quest, Aug 3, 2017.
^You know there's a strong argument that the investigatory nature of the Mueller inquiry (and Justice Dept internal policy counter to the indictment of a sitting president) makes it impossible for Trump to be found to "obstruct" under the letter of the law, right? Or did your media choices omit that information from their propaganda, along with the likelihood since inception (under the terms of special counsel law) that Mueller might not actually produce what's been anticipated as a "report?"
Where did Manafort touch quest?
NPR didn't omit that information. They bring it up every time it's relevant for context.
Trying to get him off on a technicality, are you?
Russia tried to attack US voting systems during the 2018 election. No one is saying how successful they were.
House Unanimously Votes for Mueller Report to Be Released
Is that what it sounds like to you?
Heh. Not remotely. As I've mentioned a couple of times I'd have no problem if Trump resigned or was impeached, but also think Mueller probe was purely politically motivated and the substantive concerns could've been handled (much quicker, cheaper, and with less political contamination) by inspector general of DOJ.
Now it's likely to turn out that "Russia collusion" will be revealed to have been nearly farce (Clinton campaign financed anti-Trump dossier got legs through manipulation of intelligence and media).
But it's a reach to read my quote as anything but couple of accurate statements of the law, relevant and interesting ones, that I've rarely seen covered in the left stream media (from CNN to the NYTs). Shoes got that, and pointed out that NPR in fact has covered them. I quickly thanked him for that info.
Fun fact: Mueller, a lifelong Republican, was hired by a Trump appointee, a lifelong Republican, only because Trump fired Comey, a lifelong Republican.
But sure let's go with the "politically motivated deep state conspiracy!" idea instead.
Claiming "Mueller is GOP" or Comey is GOP (or Strohk or Page are GOP?) is not persuasive and is counter to your claim. It wasn't that long ago, did you forget that at the time Trump was equally disliked? - GOP didn't fall into place all that quickly, at least until he'd lived up to some of his many promises. Much of the right still dislikes him - neocons still can't stand him, and volume of anti-Trump on right could even be connected to the Weekly Standard magazine dying. Trump is overwhelming popular with GOP today, thanks to earning some points on many subjects.
I didn't say deep state, don't be disingenuous - bad faith your game now? I said political. I even compared it to Fitzgerald and Starr at the beginning of the thread.
But wasn't the investigation was launched by a Trump appointee.
^That's what I heard.
Also heard that Justices Warren, Brennan and Stewart (all left of center) were all appointed by Eisenhower. And (far left) Justice Stevens by Jerry Ford. And centrist Justice Kennedy by Reagan.
What exactly can someone infer from an appointment? Especially by an unexpected winner who was real estate developer business man (from outside politics) practically flying by seat of pants, working from lists he often got from others.
And "far left Justice Stevens" ...
The tragedy here is that @Tuttle - who's from NY originally - actually believes this.
If you are referring to trump then your memory is quite selective. Trump has always been inside politics in NY, along with most "real estate developers" in NYC and northern NJ. Back in the day the republicans bitched because Trump had political connections which he used to get state and federal money to develop his land ownings. That is not to mention being well connected with organized crime for his money laundering construction contracts. This is not the low end organized crime connections like street dealers. These were the top end who were known for working well within the political sphere for favors and connections with local and state government in all branches and on top levels, like with corrupt politician Rudy Guiliani. There is a reason rudy is his lawyer and friend, and it is not because rudy was 9/11 mayor. It is because they were both hip deep in semi legal enterprises for money laundering.
I do not know how you could have been from NY and forgotten that being Hillary and Trump were buddy buddy in NY when she moved in, and conservatives lost their shit over it. Like most NY right wing you conveniently lost your memory when he ran given Trump was the poster boy for corporate welfare and political favors from the dems back in the 80's and 90's.
Trump is now openly screaming that he wants the entire Mueller report hidden from the American people.
Meanwhile, on another legal front, a New York appellate court has ruled that Summer Zervos' defamation lawsuit against Trump, which stems from her sexual assault allegations against him, can proceed.
still fascinated that a conservative thinks the FBI of all places is the enemy of conservationism.
Or are we conceding Trump is no conservative in which case why do they love him so?
Either they've gone so far off the rails to the loony right that even a notoriously conservative institution looks liberal to them, or it's pure tribalism -- "it can't be that my guy is a criminal, so the people responsible for investigating him must be liberals."
(Or "leftists," as their masters have now apparently instructed them to say.)
It's like some sort of witch pursuit thing.
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