Natural world close to collapse

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  1. spot261

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    No, I was suggesting we build one silly.
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    Build a sun? That's pretty ambitious.
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    IIRC any conceivable fusion reactor still requires hydrogen or a hydrogen isotope as fuel.
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    Or lithium if we're really, really clever.
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    No, it's a special one, it's solar powered.
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    Nope. The internet, thanks to this one guy, loves them, but all the best parts of an MSR (Molten Salt Reactor) can (and should) be done with Uranium. Th232->Pa233->U233-> fission products. Except Pa233 poisons the fission of U233 so you have to remove it for reprocessing, and that’d be okay except it’s horribly radioactive and toxic. This is not a solved problem the way some people claim it is. It’s not an exaggeration to say we’re not close to knowing exactly what the fuel cycle would look like. As a bonus, once you’ve reprocessed (read: let it sit in something that’s now unrecyclable low level nuclear waste for a few weeks) the Pa233 into U233, you immediately have weapons-grade Uranium outside the reactor, no enrichment needed, only a defluorination.

    No, it’s better to make an MSR with LEU, or a breeder reactor, or pretty much any gen 4 reactor.
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    Why is that relevant? Are you attempting to imply that because mass extinctions happened millions of years ago, that it's somehow less than catastrophic for us if another happens now?
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    I don't think any of us we unaware there have been previous extinction events.

    What's different this time around is there's a species which just might be able to do something about it. If we don't, we will become just another data point in that statistic.
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    Oh, and on this one. We're not just experiencing some statistical blip, slightly above average. Extinction rates are 1,000 times higher than pre-human levels, and likely to increase to 10,000 times higher.

    Research Link

    Are these biologists also engaged in making up their data?
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    side note - great name for an adult movie.....ASS SEXCTINCTION
    the screenplay writes itself really!
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    It takes a certain type of closed mindedness to ignore the facts, but flat earthers remain nonetheless.
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    I'm still reviewing the link you provided.

    I can say that of the 27,000 species mentioned in your link, a grand total of 872 are extinct, and many of them are plants, or with an astonishingly small natural habitat, or that went extinct many years back. Another 69 are extinct in the wild.
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    Isn't that rather the point, that it's time to act sooner rather than later for the remaining 26,128?

    It's worth reiterating the study @RickDeckard followed up with, pointing out that net extinction rates are currently approximately 1,000 times that which they were pre humanity.
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    Back in the '80s there was a scientist who suggested that the best way to control wildfires in places like California would be to introduce elephants into the environment. As he points out, those forests all co-evolved with mammoths and mastodons and adding elephants to the mix would help to restore the natural order while reducing the chances of wildfires. (Since the elephants would eat a lot of stuff before it had a chance die and become kindling.) Seems like a great idea to me. You'd also probably be able to create a number of jobs for people by doing so. They'd be guides to take people to see the elephants as well as watching over the elephants to ensure that they're not killed by poachers. (Though presumably there'd be fewer poachers here than there are in places like Africa.)
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    That sounds brilliant, but I do wonder if it would unsettle the current balance of the ecosystem in unexpected ways.
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    Thats not necessarily a bad thing, though. One of the surprising things that happened after wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone was that fish populations increased. It seems that with no natural predators deer and other herbivores liked nothing better than to hang around streams. They wound up eating many of the plants which either provided shelter for the young fish or kept the water cool enough for them to thrive.

    When the wolves were brought back the deer, etc. couldn’t hang out all day at the streams, so the plants grew back and the fish population grew as a result.
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  23. spot261

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    Any thoughts on how I can convince ladybirds to colonise my veg patch? :corn:
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    apparently Walmart is already conducting research on how elephants might fare and their effects (if any) when introduced into an ecosystem! :yes:
    BTW rumor has it that even Jim Fowler RIP :salute: refused to venture down aisle #5 without an armed escort despite Marlin's encouragement.

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