Obamacare is the Law of the Land and will be, but for how long?

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Ancalagon, Mar 25, 2017.

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How long will Obamacare last?

  1. Obamacare today, Obamacare tomorrow, Obamacare forever.

    7.1%
  2. Within 5 years it will be replaced by something less comprehensive (in terms of goverment support).

    14.3%
  3. Within 5 years it will be replaced by something more comprehensive (in terms of goverment support)

    28.6%
  4. Within 5 years it will be replaced by Single Payer or some other Universal Coverage.

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  5. Obamacare for the next 5 years, but after that something less comprehensive.

    0 vote(s)
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  6. Obamacare for the next 5 years, but after that it will be replaced by something more comprehensive.

    7.1%
  7. Obamacare for the next 5 years, but after that it will be replaced by Single Payer/other UC

    35.7%
  1. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    Even controlling the House, Senate and Presidency the Republicans have failed to repeal Obamacare. For 7 years repeal was their rallying cry, however today leaders of the party have admitted that they are impotent. At the same time they have claimed that it will fall under it's own weight.

    So let's have a poll. How long will Obamacare last? For the purpose of this discussion I mean the same basic form that we have today. Changes around the edges that keep the basic form will be considered tweaks but not a replacement.
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  2. Amaris

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    5 years sounds about right. Hopefully, by that point, the idiots in charge will realize that the most logical plan will be switch to Single Payer.
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  3. matthunter

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    It'll remain the law of the land, but I fully expect the GOP to chip away at its funding and/or authority. Trump will claim along the way that it's imploding naturally.
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    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Obviously it lost already because trump said it did and he won. It is like how going bankrupt and losing billions of other people's money makes you a good businessman. You liberals just don't get winning and losing. Donald is a winner which is because he loses so often, and that is why Obama care is over.
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    It will last around 5 years and ultimately be replaced by single-payer (or something substantially similar). To make that happen, Democrats would need to (1) gain control of either house of Congress in 2018 to at least slow down any further attempts at repealing ACA; (2) gain control of both houses in 2020; and (3) retake the presidency in 2020.

    #1 is a credible possibility given the sheer ineptitude on display by the GOP after controlling the government for only 2 months. #2 and #3 are harder to predict at this point.
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    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    Another question. If Obamacare is here to stay are there any states that were holding back from Medicaid expansion that now join?

    I'm assuming that most opposition is ideological (fuck the poor) but conceivably there are some out there holding back due to fiscal prudence while the federal subsidies were in doubt.

    You'd think that the more that join the more bulletproof Obamacare gets.
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    tafkats That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, bingo! Moderator

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    Kansas might. A bunch of free-market fundamentalists got thrown out, and now that they have some Republicans who aren't total Ayn Rand-bots, an expansion bill has made it through the House and a Senate committee. Of course, they'll have to get past Sam Brownback, who still seems determined to put ideological purity ahead of his citizens' lives.
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  9. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    It will last until the tables are turned and Dems have full control.
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    Fun control eh?
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    Could go any way whatsoever in five years. :clyde:
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    I think the 5 year time frame is too short, but the basic structure of the ACA will endure until the political will is available for some sort of "single payer" near universal plan modeled off the best practices of other countries.

    I can't guess how long that will take but longer than 5 years.

    I do however thing that many provisions of the ACA will be modified in time, some heavily, and that at some point they will begin a graduated drop in the age of qualification for Medicare in an effort to move some of the more expensive to cover folks over to the older program in order to change the risk factors for insurers under the ACA.
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  13. Nova

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    eventually. As with everything else, Mississippi will be the last to give in
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    It will never get a vote much less a majority.
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