Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Muad Dib, May 3, 2007.
Then what do we do with all the unwanted babies?
Let Shepherd take care of them all.
Or Soylent Green.
State raised super soldiers to enforce our global empire.
I mean, uh...
They revert to the responsibility of those who created them: their parents.
Heyyyyyy! Now THAT's an idea!
What if the parents don't want them and refuse to take care of them?
What if the parents still used a condom, but the woman still got pregnant (1% FTW).
Then they spend a few bucks and travel to a state where it's legal.
And the Republicans lose one of the biggest boons to their side in history.
They don't want them and are probably emotionally and/or financially unable or unwilling to raise them. That would just create more bad adults and there are already rules against killing them.
If two people make a baby and refuse to take care of it, the punishment they face as an alternative should be among the most severe society has to offer. That alone would accomplish more than all the sanctimonious anti-abortion posturing, past, present, or future. Suddenly, people would start thinking twice, maybe a third time, before sticking it in unwrapped. What a fucking concept.
No they wouldn't.
Should either employ a second method of contraception as a backup or accept the responsibility for the consequences.
There could be no crueler fate for a child then to force parents who don't want them to raise them anyways.
Yes, that's where all the abortions come from.
We don't know until we try, do we? Why do you fear enforcement of consequence? How much better are we really doing by allowing parents to evade responsibility?
More men saying what women should do with their plumbing.
Staying out of this one.
What if a parent didn't discover that until after they already a newborn baby in the home?
If unwanted babies in poor homes is a justification for killing them, is that also justification for killing unwanted kids in poor homes? Accomplishes your same goal.
Even an unwanted child may turn out okay.
An aborted one does not turn out at all.
I'm not telling women to do shit. I'm just saying neither the momma nor the daddy should be able to change their minds after they've added another baby to the world. You will work. You will support, and nurture, and not even think of neglecting or abusing, or society lands on you with both feet and grinds you into the fucking asphalt.
I almost don't care if it works. I just like the idea of deadbeat shitbag parents being made to suffer.
The customary sexualization of the topic.
There are some things society does not (and should not!) allow you to do even with your own body. You may commit murder and theft with your own body, for instance; that in no way makes murder and theft immune to prosecution.
Ah, ever the utopianist.
The most sever punishment I can think of is death. So you'd honestly want the parents killed for refusing to take care of a child they didn't want? What if the parents already have 3 or 4 kids to take care of?
Who's gonna raise the children when millions of parents start getting executed?
I've never understood this argument. Who says anything about the plumbing? It's what's in the plumbing that people are concerned about. And that is not entirely the woman's.
Dammit, can't you go ONE DAY without leaking yet another element of Elwood's plans for Wordforge to take over the planet?
I know because people are stupid.
People are getting stabbed in the stomach in China and shitting out dead children because they didn't think things through.
I'll reiterate: people are stupid.
Their minds were made up for them when abortion became illegal.
Thanks for the thoughtful replies, gentlemen.
How? A fetus is not a woman's body. It is genetically distinct. It cannot be created by a woman alone. It can be born alive at only 23 weeks. What part of that is a "buncha shit"?
You were confusing something a person chooses to do (murder, theft, etc.) with something a person chooses to do to their own body (abortion, alcohol, drugs, etc.).
Actually, don't anti-abortion laws control what an abortionist can do with his body?
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