Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Ancalagon, Jul 24, 2021.
Where can we go from here?!?
Well, I say we kill the fuckers.
Let's put it to a vote.
That's sad. But one could argue that there was never a consensus in the US about the fundamental right to vote, which is why it's not decisively in the Constitution.
So is it a right based on certain amendments?
Some interesting numbers in that chart.
And then there's this
And that last bit? By what logic is a vote for the person more likely to "give me handouts" less legitimate than a vote for anything else?
I suppose the rationale would go something like:
Given that we know politicians are buying people's votes through handouts, there is a slippery slope both to politicians buying people's votes more directly through clearly illegal means and to THOSE people not evaluating how bad Democrat policies are for them. It is also easy to believe once you know politicians are willing to buy people's votes through handouts that politicians would also stoop to using other sleazy maneuvers like the imported ballots from China, the vote switching software, the mass dumping of ballots etc.
I'm quite astounded that the vote for the third question was so low for the Republicans.
I'm probably missing some horrific unstated thinking like "no, a strong leader CHANGES the rules or IGNORES them!"...
Well, they certainly have no friggin' idea what the rules actually ARE...
To be fair, Trump showed that no-one else really did either. Most of the shit he got away with was a case of "the President MAY have this power, but it's never been litigated because no previous POTUS has been ENOUGH of a cunt to even try it".
Yeah, we really need to tighten that type of shit up in the future.
I couldn't find the Omnibus voter suppression thread but this works just as well here. It seems it's dawning on some Republicans that their efforts to keep the "wrong" people from voting might keep a lot of the "right" people from voting.
This summer state Rep. Ann Bollin, the Republican who chairs the Michigan House Elections and Ethics Committee, said there was “not support” to make the absentee voting process more difficult. Ms. Bollin, herself a former township clerk, cited concerns from county clerks, including Republicans from largely conservative areas, who said the bills could have negative impacts on voter participation among voters of all stripes, Republicans as well as Democrats.
In Texas, one Republican state legislator wrote a newspaper column where he openly wondered why the legislators were “trying to make it harder for Republican voters to vote?” In Iowa, a Republican election commissioner from rural Adams County asked the same thing at a hearing on new voter rules in that state. And in Florida, one former Republican campaign operative worried that the new laws could rile voters of color and turn them out in greater numbers.
The absentee voter ID proposal, which would have required mail-in ballot applicants to include a copy of their photo ID, their driver’s license number or the last four digits of their Social Security number, was only one example in Michigan, Mr. Roebuck said.
Another rule would require that ballot drop boxes be locked up after 5 p.m. the day before Election Day and then again, on Election Day itself. “If you talk to an elected official, you may know that those are the busiest times, like we’ve seen elections, where 20% of our ballots come in during those two days. Right? You know, and that that amounts to thousands or hundreds of thousands of ballots across the state,” he said.
If all those ballots or a chunk of them aren’t counted, the impact is hard to know for certain, Mr. Roebuck said, but it is wrong to assume that Republicans will necessarily benefit from making nontraditional voting more difficult. In many cases, he said, the opposite may be true. And regardless, he argued, there was no evidence of fraud to justify many of the proposals. He noted that Mr. Trump won his county, Ottawa, by 20 points in 2020 and more than half of the ballots were absentee.
In Michigan, and other states like it that are older and less racially and ethnically diverse, there could be special challenges to tightening the rules around nontraditional methods of voting for Republicans. The 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study data found that voters 65-and-older and white, non-Hispanic voters—groups that tend to vote Republican—were more likely to use mail-in voting than the nation as a whole.
Hey, I've said it before, if Republicans aren't racist, try to win elections by winning over the black vote.
And their non-racist reasons for not are easily picked apart bullshit.
There is some thinking that the Trump Realignment might shake up the conventional wisdom that making voting harder hurts Dems.
The educated urban and suburban whites that moved from R to D are high propensity voters whereas the low education suburban and exurban whites that moved D to R are low propensity voters.
It will take a couple cycles to see how it all shakes out but voter restrictions aren’t necessarily a lock for helping Rs.
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