Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by matthunter, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:26 AM.
They could just try for some sort of screening that eliminates shit for brains supervisors....
Link? I suggest watching the police commissioner's video as he lays out the facts of the case and how Starbucks has even told uniformed police officers they can't use the facilities unless they buy something. There is a lot of disinformation being spread by self declared activists just like how in past cases they claimed it wasn't a gun it was a book only to have video show it was a gun.
You're saying taking a seat is a reason to arrest someone? You, and the police, don't know if they were going to order something after they has sit down and decided. There are to key points here. First it doesn't take 5-6 officers to arrest two blokes at a table and, let's be honest, if they were white they would have been given the chance to sit there. Probably wouldn't even have been noticed.
A homeless person is smelling, unhygienic and often under the influence of substances. That's different from a well dressed person just sitting at a table.
Dude, did you become the fucking grand wizard on your vacation?
You would think that after a very clear and obvious warning that bigotry is running thin he'd clue up.
I think something happened between them and the employees when they requested to use the bathroom. What that is hasn't been reported yet.
And taking a seat isn't the reason they were arrested. They were asked to leave by Starbucks. They refused. At that moment, even though Starbucks was being assholes about it, those men needed to leave. The police were called and asked them to leave. They still refused. Ultimately in this situation the police had no choice but to arrest them.
As for the number of police these are bicycle cops in the city area. They travel in pairs. In addition to that the two cops without helmets are needed since they are probably in the car that would transport the arrested men to jail. The police also don't know what's going to happen so having more officers at the scene isn't a bad thing. Plus we also don't know what Starbucks told 911. The argument over the number of cops is a silly.
Hopefully these guys sue and get a nice big fat paycheck from Starbucks and the employees involved get fired.
What a strange post. You've just argued it was all justified and then you say you hope they sue and win????
Starbucks actions are not justified. There is zero reason for Starbucks to call the police. These guys aren't causing problems. They are simply waiting for a third man so they can have a meeting. They aren't doing anything other customers have done or were currently doing at the time of this incident.
The police are justified however in what they did. It doesn't matter what happened between Starbucks and the men. Starbucks asked them to leave and when they didn't Starbucks called the police. The police asked them to leave three times (according to reports) and they refused. At this point the police arrested them.
I'm saying the men should sue Starbucks because Starbucks is in the wrong. They shouldn't waste time suing the police because the police did nothing wrong in this case.
Okay, well you replied the post above but failed to say whether or not it would happen to two white guys in the same circumstance. What do you think?
We know what would happen because there are other people, white, who where there and said they had not ordered anything as well.
So unless something happened that hasn’t been reported it appears that the employees in this case were being racist towards the two men.
Right, so despite your argument seemingly against, you agree that this was likely motivated by race. Good.
What is the overriding issue in these cases? To me it is that there is an unequal approach and that has to be the issue. All the rest is surely irrelevant?
Police are legally obligated to respond to a call for service, even if its a dumbass call.
The fault here lies entirely with the Evil Empire, a.k.a. Starbucks.
P.S. - fuck Starbucks!
I don't think anything you say here is being disputed. The police were forced to do their duty and the men went along peacefully and quietly. It just so happens that the white woman who recorded the incident had been there for 3 hours, hadn't ordered anything and just so happened to be a local reporter. I saw her entire Tweet-storm unfold in real-time. She and the friend they were there to meet seemed way more upset than the men getting arrested.
Truth be told, I've been in Starbucks and was never once pressured to order anything, used the wi-fi and bathroom as much as I needed and never had a problem. This incident is not indicative of the entire chain's practice as a whole but I have to say that it's been a long time since I've seen something like this, but yeah, it happens. ... and the same people who will pressure public officials to denounce "islamic terrorism" before details are checked in a mass incident will notably declare that "we have to wait before judging until the details are in on this one."
I'm waiting for the day I hear a 911 call go "Hello police? Yeah... there's a group of white women here. They haven't ordered anything and they won't leave. No, No... they're just sitting here quietly... but it's freaking me out. Can you send someone?"
Dinner already did that.
I am saying when a business asks you to leave and you start cursing at them and refusing to do so, when cops come and politely say you have to leave but you also curse at them and refuse to do so on multiple go around then, yes, that is straight up trespassing. Which is just what the cops rightfully arrested them for.
The cops were 100% in the right here especially since they took the time to call a superior and the superior once again politely asked them to leave and they still refused. These guys got five or six chances and they were in the wrong every time. As a side note you can tell Starbucks corporate just wants this all to go away even though the employee in question was completely in the right. It is sad to see a company not supporting workers who were completely following company policy.
Except the employees didn't follow company policy. Starbucks is known for not caring that people are in the stores without buying things. Sure it might be an unwritten rule but everyone knows it.
This store apparently knows it since they were letting other people there that day stay in the store and not kicking them out for not buying anything.
Where exactly do you get the fantasy that they were cursing? From the article you as usual didn't bother to read:
Any cursing you hear is the voice in your own head. Or are you expanding your parameters of People @Dinner Hates?
The manager in question is "no longer working at that store" according to a press release from Starbucks. I'm taking that to mean that they did not fire him but transferred him somewhere. Dinner must be purposely trolling at this point. He keeps talking about police and trespassing laws when no one is disputing any of that. He can just continue to set up and knock down his little straw men as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned.
The police were doing their job, but the Starbucks employee is the problem. I understand what he is saying. The cops had to arrest because the guys pushed the issue. But there never should have been an issue according to Starbucks.
So dinner has certainly moved up on the alt right. Perhaps he had to get the purple bedsheets from bed bath and beyond to make his new hood?
Except that is so much manure. We already know the exact sequence of events because the Police Commissioner and eye witnesses have told us.
Where are you getting this? It is certainly not being said on any reputable news source I have seen.
READ. THE. ARTICLE. IN. THE. OP.
WATCH. THE. VIDEO. IN. THE. OP.
Turn off FAUXnews/TalkRadio.
The dipshits could have avoided all of this simply by buying a one dollar Americano so my pity for them is some where asymptotic to zero. Especially as they first mouthed off and cursed at the employee, then did the same with the store manager, then did tge same with the two cops, then did the same with the superior who came down to politely ask them to go about their day and stop trespassing. They broke the law, they were goven numerous free chances to reconsider, they chose this. They are at fault and in the wrong here.
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So why wasn't the white woman who was doing the same thing not arrested?
Fresh off a two-week ban for racism, @Dinner is off the deck swinging!
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