Race baiting in the Red Room

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  1. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    WordForge has built itself on the tradition of being laissez faire within the Red Room. This is a tradition that has allowed for discourse to run freely, both to the benefit and to the detriment of the board.
    I'd like to address one of those detriments: Race baiting.
    WordForge functions, in many ways, like a family, in which we snipe and troll each other, yet we'd still go and grab drinks at the bar if we were fortunate to meet each other in real life and shoot the shit. However, there is a line and race baiting crosses that line. It doesn't matter if it's in reference to a member of the board or to a group of people in general; we're not going to tolerate that shit anymore. Take it elsewhere and be more creative with your trolling here.

    Going forward, effective immediately: Curb the racism.
    Failure to do so will result in a staff member calling you out in thread. If you wish to retract the comment at that time, we will do so, but we will document this. Should you fail to engage the staff member within 24 hours, we will consider it stonewalling (as we will @ you), and that will be a warning.
    A second instance of race baiting will be a warning.
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  2. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf Hamachi is a fish best served cold

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    Ok boomer. Is generational baiting still ok?
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  3. Amaris

    Amaris Princess of Love

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    I'd like to hear the staff position on master baiting, please.

    Seriously, @Fisherman's Worf, you didn't think of the obvious one first?!

    All joking aside, I think this is an excellent idea. Thanks to Google, and the government wire tap we tell to give us the weather or order us more laundry detergent, the internet has grown so much smaller. What you do in one corner can be seen in the other, and in this day and age, your real life can be connected to it. There's no reason for the race baiting anyway, and it's time we moved on from it.
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    great idea in theory - but who defines, sets the parameters, and ultimately judges what is considered "racist?" :chris: Some wordforge members consider nearly every view expressed as "racist" - other wordforge members keep things in perspective. Thus "race baiting" could be open to interpretation. Thoughts?
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  5. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    It's the "I know it when I see it" standard, which is no standard at all.
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  6. oldfella1962

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    no official response from the head honchos so far, so you may be right.
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  7. spot261

    spot261 Hysterical Little Girl

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    I think this may be a case of staffs' discretion, which given the interpretive nature of the subject matter is probably better than a legalistic definition anyway.
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  8. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    When I was the owner, "blatant racism" was one of my few triggers for the banhammer. I used my own judgement but like to think my definition was pretty open. When it comes to freedom of expression, more is always better than less. Still . . . "owners' discretion" is perfectly valid.
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  9. Zombie

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    Just remember this: When a leftist on the board is calling you a white supremacist, a hater of brown people, a Nazi, or any other race based insult based on your skin color because you don't agree with them that is totally acceptable and within the rules of Wordforge. That's not race baiting. The rule only applies to Wordforge members who would be considered on the right politically and the members who aren't on the right but hated by the leftist members. (Dinner)

    Edit: When you get down to it the majority of the race baiting is from the left on this board towards the right. There are only a handful of people on the right still active here and I don't see those people race baiting.
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  10. GhostEcho

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    I think this is a great turn of events. I just hope that the policy is applied evenly.
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  11. GhostEcho

    GhostEcho Christian Conservative (Republican)

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    Who even is (are) the owner(s) now anyway? I have lost track.
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    I will agree that banning hate speech is an acceptable infringement of free speech when you agree that I get to decide what constitutes "hate speech."
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    If this is a rule to just go after Dinner why not just straight up ban him?
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    That would play if y'all were innocent little Carebears, and Leftforge swooped down on your little jelly sandwich picnic on witch brooms throwing fireballs.

    But you're not Carebears.
    You're assholes.
    You pride yourselves on being assholes.
    At least you used to.
    What happened?
    (Joker voice) didja balls fall off?
    :chris:
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  15. Amaris

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    I doubt it's to specifically go after Dinner, but wouldn't you agree advocating genocide, and using the "n" word would fall under the "stop with the racist shit" rule? It's not outright banning, it's warnings. It would lead to banning, I'm sure, because telling someone to stop or you'll say stop again tends not to bother them, but it's not like say the "n" word get an outright ban. It would mean people like Dinner would have to stop shitting up threads with posts full of racist rhetoric. If the goal is to stop that from happening, then it sounds like a good thing. Less Dinner type racism good, right?
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  16. Zombie

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    I don't have a problem with the rule. I just don't expect TPTB to enforce it equally.

    See in this very thread Diacanu is race baiting in post 14. As you mentioned in post 3, "the internet has grown so much smaller. What you do in one corner can be seen in the other, and in this day and age, your real life can be connected to it. There's no reason for the race baiting anyway, and it's time we moved on from it." What happens when people who don't know what the hell is going on see something like that and think, "that Zombie guy must be a racist." Especially if they dig deeper and see the same accusation hundreds of times from Diacanu, you, and other leftists on this board not because it's true (and it's not) but because that's what you leftists do to those who don't agree with your opinions? Constantly hurl accusations like that against people on the right.

    Yeah real life gets real in a hurry but in this case the victim would be me.

    "It would mean people like Dinner "

    What other people? Name them.
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  17. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Oh, give me a physical goddamned break!
    :lol:
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  18. Amaris

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    What Diacanu posted in #14 is not race baiting. He's clearly trolling, but it's not race baiting.
    There's no way to take it as race baiting unless you have a persecution complex and believe everyone is out to get you.
    Look, people who have persecution complexes are going to feel singled out, that's true, but they're just going to have to get the fuck over it.

    You like to say "you and other leftists" make the accusation of racism, so you've already framed it as the left wanting to silence the right. Congratulations, you could run for a seat on the impeachment committee. People like you, and I do mean you and people who think like you do, will not be satisfied no matter what is said.

    I mean, you say it's a good idea, but you're already against it because you think it will be applied unequally. Though, to put it more plainly, you believe that your words will get you fucked over and you're pushing back before you think it will happen. When I say people like Dinner, do you think I mean you? I mean people like Dinner, who talks about refugees like they're animals, or openly uses the "n" word. If you thought it meant you, then what are you saying? Because if you're not doing what Dinner is doing, why on this planet would you think it includes people like you?

    TL;DR - You have to have your head firmly wedged way up your ass to think what Diacanu said was race baiting, and if it's that firmly up there, nothing anyone says will matter.
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  19. Zombie

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    It's race baiting. It's just one more example of race baiting that Diacanu does all over the board and no one calls him on it.

    And your response is why I know the rule will not be applied equally to everyone. When it comes from the leftist member it will be called trolling and not what it is: race baiting.

    Nope. My words won't get me fucked over since I don't use racial terms against others. But that doesn't stop you or Diacanu or other leftists from making those accusations constantly that I and others do.

    I want to know who else on the board do you think is like Dinner. You said people like Dinner. We aren't talking about people who are not board members. We are talking about members on this board. Who else on this board in your opinion is like Dinner.

    WHO?

    Who of all the members on Wordforge, besides Dinner, does that?
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    Can't help you. Already told you what I could. Accept it or reject it, I'm not your mom.
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    I can't remember a time when something that 100% wasn't racism or even tinged with racism was called racism.
    But that's the right's new go-to narrative anyway.
    "They say everyone's a racist!! :sob:".

    Um, no.
    Just Trump, which is provable with mountains of video and Twitter evidence.
    And the idiots that clap for his dog whistles at rallies, which is on tape.
    And the idiots who march down the street screaming "the Jews will not replace us!", which is on tape.
    And the guy that murdered a chick with a truck, which is on tape.
    And anyone who uses dog whistles which have been decoded, because they've barely changed from the slavery and Jim Crow days, and we have historical proof.

    Hey, accidentally use an old racist dog whistle?
    Go "my bad, I didn't know", and move on.
    But no, you dig in.
    "Ohhhh, they say eeeeeverythiiiing is raciiist! :cry: :drama:".

    No, just the racism.
    Ain't my fault racists have too much time on their hands to be sneaky.
    Hey, here's an idea.
    Kick them out of your club.
    If you find that you can't kick them out because they outnumber you, you're in the wrong club.
    Quit the club.
    Join some other club.
    Or make a new one from scratch.
    Stop being lazy.
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    So you can't name any member on this board who is like Dinner?

    Than why say, "It would mean people like Dinner would have to stop shitting up threads with posts full of racist rhetoric."

    Who are these people on the board and where are these threads?
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    Soma for one seems to be following the Tasvir path of asshattery.
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    That's the thing, when someone says "people like (person x)" it doesn't mean there's a list of people about to get kicked out. It means people who speak like (person x) are at risk of being warned because (person x) is racist as fuck. @Zombie just sounds paranoid here.
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    There's one.

    Got any more?

    If he's doing that stuff why a new rule? Why not just follow the don't be an asshole rule, warn, and than ban if it keeps going?
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    Hold on, you said you didn't have a problem with the rule. What changed in 2 hours?
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    This is more an addendum to the rule, saying that as policy activities like that will be considered as assholish behaviour.
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Think of it like the "turn off electronics for takeoff and landing" notices in plane safety briefings. Nice and broad but then they have to specify a whole list of devices for the idiots who wouldn't realise that their laptop is actually an electronic device.
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  29. Zombie

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    I don't have a problem with the rule.

    I just don't see the need for a new rule when there is an old rule that already covers any problems which really don't exist except for one knuckle head and even he, now, isn't exactly destroying threads with what you claim is happening.
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    It doesn't matter whether or not you see a need for the new rule. It was explained, you don't like the explanation, and so you're pressing the issue. That's fine, but you've already got your answer, which I'm sure you can turn into whatever feeds your personal point of view.
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