Repealing the Second Amendment

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  1. John B

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    The Second Amendment is archaic. Written over two hundred years ago, it was designed for an America seeking the throw of the shackles of British colonial domination. “A well-regulated militia” was needed to secure a “free state”. There is no such corresponding need today. The US military is huge. There is no threat of foreign invasion.

    What purpose does the amendment serve today, other than pilling on social misery in terms of gun-crime victims?

    To those who say guns are necessary to defend our “freedoms”, what freedoms are these? Certainly not political freedom – no amount of gun ownership is going to work as a barrier or a deterrent to a US military coup.

    To those who say guns are needed for self-defence: what nonsense! The Las Vegas shooting demonstrates how fundamentally flawed this conception is. If we all had a gun, then…. More gun crime would result, not a better protected society. This one should be obvious, guys. If guns were banned, there would be no need to “defend yourself”. Gun massacres would begin to disappear.

    I can only begin to imagine how much a repeal of the Second Amendment would benefit and help clean up American society.
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  2. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Do you really believe that?
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  3. Zombie

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    So you can always tell the future? That's nice. Can you give me the numbers for the next Powerball lottery drawing?

    To serve notice to the US government that the people have the right to defend themselves. From other citizens or in a worst case scenario the government itself.

    Simply untrue as countless examples around the world have shown. An armed populace is not an easy thing to cower. Why do you think one of the first thing lots of wanna-be dictators do is put restrictions or out right bans on guns?

    Simply untrue.

    #1 It's relatively unknown to most Americans but the drug cartels smuggle drugs and guns into America. Certainly they would be more than willing to smuggle more guns if needed.

    #2 Lot's of self defense with guns take place throughout the country. You just don't see a lot of it out there on the news.

    #3 Massacres would still happen.

    How utterly naive you are. :lol:
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  4. Tuttle

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    It won't be amended, and SCOTUS is long way away from reinterpreting the Constitution to 'penumbra' it's way to change the effect of the 2nd Amendment.

    It's an academic question, concerning a remote possibility in a distant future, that could be argued indefinitely without gaining any ground in real world events. So where's Anc?

    Good to see you posting, John.
  5. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    The same people who tell us the current government is fascist tell us that there's no need to worry about being able to resist tyrannical government.

    Imagine a smartphone app that gave burglars, home invaders, and rapists a listing of all homes without firearms. Might you be concerned? In a world where the law-abiding have no guns, ALL homes would be that.

    As for repealing the Second Amendment, well, good luck with that. I encourage you to get politicians to sign up for that, and to run on it in coming elections.
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  6. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    Welcome back.

    It's good to see long time contributors return, even if they are filthy communists. ;)
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    Yup. According to the hyperbole from the Left, we're now living under tyranny, with a despotic nuHitler in the Oval Office. Isn't that the scenario when Americans exercise their right to bear arms in order to overthrow a corrupt and illegitimate government? The Left should be encouraging it's Snowflake Army to buy up every firearm in sight, to prepare for the inevitable civil war.
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  8. Fisherman's Worf

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    It doesn't necessarily need to be repealed, it just needs to be interpreted correctly; i.e. well regulated militia use.
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  9. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Where does the "right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" part fit in?
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    John B is from New Zealand? Does that mean he is different from the pony lover John?
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  11. Diacanu

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    Of the ass!

    Sorry, had to be done.
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  12. oldfella1962

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    nice troll job! But hey, on the less than one percent chance you are serious, I'll play along:

    "If guns were banned, there would be no need to “defend yourself”. Gun massacres would begin to disappear."

    Yet there would still be millions (let that sink in....millions) of guns in the US currently owned by violent criminals that would not be turned in or bought back for destruction by the authorities. Let's say the law abiding surrender their guns - now zero good guys have guns and all the guns are owned by the violent criminals. Do you really think gun deaths would be a thing of the past? :jayzus:

    Guns would continue to be smuggled in by the same criminals who smuggle in drugs & illegal aliens - those large scale networks are already established. If vanilla flavor is banned, your local ice cream shop won't shut down, they will just start selling strawberry ice cream.

    While a gun in the concert crowd would not have stopped the Vegas shooter, a gun owned by a civilian would certainly stop a home invader/car jacker/armed robbery of a store/etc. and indeed, it happens daily across the US. You just don't hear much about it beyond the local level. But yes, "good guys" with guns use their guns to stop "bad guys" with guns, without bloodshed most of the time.
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  13. K.

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    The same people who pretend their guns will defend the Constitution applaud the politicians who dismantle it.

    And I have never said there is no need to resist a tyrannical government. I just don't believe gun owners will, nor that guns can challenge nukes.
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  14. Dayton Kitchens

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    You seriously think a country (any country) would ever use nuclear weapons on its OWN SOIL!!!!

    Stupid beyond belief.
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    The US has already used nuclear weapons on its own soil during tests...
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  16. Ebeneezer Goode

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    That's the problem with interpretation, there's no objectively 'correct' version, it's always going to be biased by the views of the interpretor.

    It's a pity the Constitution wasn't written by a bunch of lawyers with around 20 pages worth of preface nailing down the definition of everything.
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    As for the OP - it's not going to get repealed. Ever.

    Guns are one of the foundations of the myths and reality of America, romanticized and deified. They're a symbol of freedom and self-defence from a nation birthed in the violence of a war of independence, and who spent most of its formative years fighting someone or something.

    From cowboys to Dirty Harry, the image of the righteous man armed with a gun is part and parcel of the USA. Even when Stephen King moulded Arthurian legend to his own ends, what did they bear? Guns. They were the Gunslingers.

    Even without a Second Amendment I believe the US would have liberal gun laws, they're just such a part of the nations identity and soul.
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  18. Zombie

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    I must have missed the part where the Constitution is being dismantled. Can you point it out?

    :rolleyes:

    It never ceases to amaze me how dumb the left can be when this issue comes up and how the left really tries to turn America into an unstoppable beast that can never be toppled. That the entire military will suddenly turn into Stormtroopers and follow every order without question or mutiny.

    Yes. America has a strong military and yes it has nukes.

    That doesn't mean if shit really hit the fan that the people of America couldn't rebel.

    Nukes? How fucking stupid can you be?

    But than I realize you're a leftist and you on some unconscious level think America is evil. This explains why you think that America wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear weapons against its own people on its own territory. On that unconscious level in your tiny brain America really is the mustache twirling bad guy who wouldn't hesitate to commit mass murder.
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    Obviously he's talking about nukes being used against cities full of people.

    Not in the middle of the fucking desert for testing purposes.

    Really......

    Your post is just 100% :dayton:
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  20. Quest

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    The government isn’t fascist, but the current administration has exhibited a number of disturbingly fascist/authoritatian tendencies. Nevertheless, the time has not arrived for armed resistance while there are still peaceful, legal means available. Firearms of course do remain a valid option for personal self-defense.
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  21. Ebeneezer Goode

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    This is Dayton, it's not like he hasn't form on coming out with ill-informed bollocks.

    Not the same bollocks as the ones of his making a noise like a clapping seal on your arse cheeks though :fun:
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    Come on man. Follow the context of the conversation in the thread......

    K: I just don't believe gun owners will, nor that guns can challenge nukes. (clearly implying America would nuke American cities in rebellion)

    Dayton: You seriously think a country (any country) would ever use nuclear weapons on its OWN SOIL!!!!

    :jayzus:
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    Other countries have demonstrated that a little bit of common sense safety measures go a long way in preventing massacres. We can stop the mentally ill and wannabe terrorists from obtaining weapons, for example, without depriving everyone else of their rights.
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  24. oldfella1962

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    exactly! That's the balancing act here: keeping the guns away from crazies without taking away the sane population's right to own them. But it's not so simple & it's not 100 percent effective no matter what measure we take. This isn't unique to guns - many things (drugs, cars, booze, etc) used by the sane are misused by the crazies/criminals.
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    I realise you aren't big on history. If you were, you would know that tyrants about to be deposed often adopt a scorched earth policy, i. e. it is their intention to make the land uninhabitable. Besides, the general argument applies to any population less well armed than their military, which means all modern populations.
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  26. K.

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    It's many points, but here's an example:

    https://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/trump-pardons-sheriff-joe.113976/

    Count the voices for and against that local tyrant and tell me with a straight face you don't think there are more guns per head in the pro-concentration camp camo.

    Nothing sudden about it. But the point is moot: if the military stands against the revolution, the revolution's guns won't save them, and if it stands with the revolution, they won't need them.
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    And how are you going to identify who is "mentally ill?" :rolleyes:

    ***Note - @garamet has been asked this question thousands of times and can't/won't provide a coherent answer.
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  29. garamet

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    By using you as the benchmark.
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    Romania has one of the strictest handgun laws in the world, it also has significant homicide stats for swords and machetes. If someone wants to kill you gravity's free and rocks are cheap.