Roe v. Wade

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  1. mburtonk

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    All of this "how do women's brains work after rape" discussion could be avoided by not criminalizing abortion.
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  2. Tererun

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    Again, if a woman is raped I would think she would go down the road of plan B right away. Let us just not make the rape compromise at all. It is not a good compromise with the dumbass squad. They are just trying to fuck things up and make excuses.

    Just go after them with the whole heart does not think or have consciousness thing.
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  3. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Exactly, just stay the fuck out of it. Just let her make her decision within her life for whatever reason within a reasonable amount of time. 2 trimesters seems to be a good point to say maybe this new life can be adopted or something, but still leave her with the decision.
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  4. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    From an article by a psychology professor who was writing a book about rape survivors having the children of their rapists:

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  5. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    Some women do not know about Plan B. Some women may not have easy access to Plan B. Some women are going to be in denial about the rape or the possibility of pregnancy. Some rape victims are too young/immature/ignorant to know how pregnancy works, or are blinded by ideology about "the unborn" to perhaps take action in that first couple days but may change their minds later as they become better educated or it dawns on them that having a living reminder of their rape might be too hard to deal with. And of course Plan B is not foolproof.

    It's not a compromise to say that there should be an exception in any abortion restriction to allow more flexibility for rape survivors. It is IMO a necessity. Would the TX law be acceptable if it included the explicit provision that it did not apply to abortions performed where rape/incest were involved? No, but pointing out that it doesn't shows more clearly how monstrous it is to anyone who might be persuadable about the issue.
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  6. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    It depends on the perspective you are looking at it from. Remember I am not for any interference at all. When I am discussing the compromise for rape it is always with a person who is outside of the rapist and victim. That is why I get tired of the stupidity of that argument. Neither me or the person I am compromising with should even be involved, let alone compromising over her decision. What does it matter to me or the other person if she aborts? I do not even care about the father's rights in the case of a rapist. Even so, none of us outsiders should be involved, and entertaining the argument over rape or not legitimizes the argument that somehow we should be involved by skipping over it. If we left it up to the people who are involved, the woman and the organizations of cells in her uterus, then any problems with abortion in the case of rape are moot.
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    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    @Raoul the Red Shirt the arguments against abortion all end up being bad and bad faith arguments when you look at perspective. The only thing someone does when they speak against another person's abortion is try to make themselves look better, and make a shitty argument that does not hold up.

    1. religion says so. This only holds sway over the individual having the abortion. Otherwise it is just a made up book of fiction that has no real rational.
    2. it is a life that feels things. A child needs 18 years of commitment to become a life. Just because you can have a child does not mean you want to or can.
    3. fetal heartbeat. Heartbeat does not mean life or feeling.
    4. I do not like abortion as birth control. Think about a woman who is slutty and uses abortion as birth control, do you want her raising a child if she does not want to?

    Every time you hear an argument against abortion it is always is is always about making the person who is saying it seem like they care when they really have not thought things through at all. Anti-abortionists are not caring individuals, they are selfish dicks.
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  8. Jenee

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    … Are you suggesting a raped woman has some sort of psychic powers?
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    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    I mean, he could have defeated me easily by proving me absolutely wrong.
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    A. the plan is abortion
    B. Right, because the victim of abuse feels safe reporting her abuser and she's always treated as completely credible and not at any fault. I mean have you ever even MET a woman?
    C. No sir. You're big on objectivity, so you claim, as an objective scientific fact a six week fetus has no heart, or other functioning internal organs. It has an electrical impulse that will eventually stimulate a heartbeat, which the ultrasound creates a noise to register - it is objectively NOT a heartbeat. Abortion moralist try to confuse the gullible by MAKING it a semantic debate - if you accept that frame, congrats, you've been propagandized and demonstrate yourself to be gullible. One can, presumably, have SOME room for debate about the stage of development when a heartbeat DOES commence... but six weeks ain't in that discussion.
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  11. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Yep.
    Clearly you've never actually known a real live woman, just see these somewhat different looking folks walking around that you've been told can get pregnant.
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  12. Nova

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    Texas is also working on passing separate legislation that basically make it impossible to access a chemical abortion in the state - so if you basically intended to take an abortion pill 3 weeks after EVERY sexual encounter - Texas intends to be sure you cannot legally do that either.
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  13. Bailey

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    I will never understand anyone who literally argues that a woman should be forced to give up her body, finances, and freedoms so that a potential human can come into being, but once it exists thinks that any taxation on him to save it's life would be a massive violation of his rights.
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  14. Damar

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    One of the interesting lines in the Texas abortion bill states that it does not create or recognize a right to an abortion before the “heartbeat” is detected. Which is sort of giving the game away. Texas Republicans want all abortions banned and they don’t want any pesky exceptions getting in the way.

    Something I’ve always found particularly cruel and heinous is the idea that a fetus with severe/fatal abnormalities must be carried to term. I can’t imagine how traumatic that must be. I’d make that Exhibit #496,522 as to why the Republican Party can’t be trusted at all.
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  15. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Misogyny, and malignant narcissism.
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    Given that we have no clear line of demarcation between fetus and person (in other words, we don't know when a developing fetus actually becomes a for-real human being) I think it's probably best to err on the side of caution. The standard I keep returning to is the point at which the fetal brain exhibits recognizable nonrandom brainwave activity. With the usual obvious exceptions, of course - rape, incest, endangering the life of the mother, yadda yadda yadda.
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    I'll keep my opinions out of your uterus if you keep your hands out of my wallet. Deal?
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  18. Diacanu

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    And he thinks that's a fucking zinger!
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    Since when was nonrandom brainwave activity a sign of personhood?
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  20. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Y'know what this means?
    Time to genocide epileptics!
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Find me a standard, then. When does the fetus become a person? I'll wait. :news:
  22. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    How about men stay out of it?
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    Nope, if we're gonna either allow or prohibit abortions, the decision has to be based on something rational. When the clump of cells becomes a person seems like an obvious decision point for when abortion-on-demand becomes subject to greater oversight. So find me a standard. Or do your usual clown act, whatever makes you happy.
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    Usual clown act coming in 5, 4,3,…
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    Clown act it is. So predictable . . .
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    Their lack of self-awareness is what's predictable.
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    You’re the one who thinks a facepalm is a legitimate response.
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  29. We Are Borg

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    Holy shit. You're kidding, right?

    The standard for decades in the United States has been Roe v. Wade (title of this thread, duh).

    That is, until Texas decided to take a big watery dump all over it and SCOTUS looked the other way.
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  30. Diacanu

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    This.
    It was so self-evident, I didn't feel I had to say it.