Rules update

Discussion in 'The Help Desk' started by Bickendan, Dec 11, 2016.

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  1. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    Oh, and I would still like to hear an excuse, even a really bad one, about why John threatened GT telling GT if he told anyone about how John had stealth banned him without written warning that John would then permabanned him.

    Talk about a bitch move. That alone should be enough to overturn any decision this emotionally stunted man child ever made.
  2. TheLonelySquire

    TheLonelySquire Fresh Meat

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    While I agree that posters are singled out by the administration, why would that surprise you and why do you think you are owed any explanation? You really trust ANY of these people? It's comical.
  3. K.

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    Now there's a superpower if I ever I heard one.
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  4. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Amnesty. Ramen, Volpone, gturner, and Castle all unbanned. To make up for the excessive idiocy that has cost us some good posters recently.
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  5. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Sheithforge Formerly Important

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    Are you smoking crack on your volunteer visits to East Village?

    You have always took a position and dug in. You did it as a liberal, and you still do now. :wtf: Even if gul and John apologized and overturned the ban, you'd still have it out for them. :brood:
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  6. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Sheithforge Formerly Important

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    Ramen and Volpone are already unbanned.
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  7. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Sheithforge Formerly Important

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    No one stealth banned him. His lack of posting access was a goof that was fixed as soon as it was brought to our attention.

    If we wanted him gone, he'd been gone the way Castle got tossed.
  8. K.

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    Two of them aren't banned, and while the jury is out on gturner, taking Castle back would be the dumbest thing this board could do.
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  9. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Sheithforge Formerly Important

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    Castle is plan fucking nuts. Two fucking years of banging on about this place. Gturner to his credit has moved on to trying to shit over Troll Kingdom. :shrug:
  10. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    I feel sorry for Mentalist and Eggs Mayonaise :sigh:
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  11. Captain X

    Captain X Responsible cookie control

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    It really helps to illustrate the disconnect that you think this. Anyone who can read what was said for themselves can see why he left, and that was largely due to how the admin staff handled him asking questions about it. I very much doubt Paladin was a big gturner fan and was just so upset over his banning that he left. If anything, he was probably worried about the principle of how the affair was handled, and the condescending manner with which the admin staff was handling the very reasonable questions he was asking. And the upshot of this is that for all the claims that gturner was or just might potentially make people leave in spite of a lack of proof for this claim, we can say with certainty that the admin staff actually did run someone off.

    Neither you nor anyone else has proven this to any satisfactory degree. I've seen this claim, and yet others have pointed out that regardless of how you feel about the posts he made in the RR, he made plenty of other contributions outside of it, and thus you cannot claim his sole purpose was to disrupt the board. I posit that he was no more disruptive than Dayton in how a number of you just couldn't seem to resist responding to what you saw as nothing more than shit posting.

    :rolleyes: I'll stick up for anyone I think got railroaded. The fact of the matter is that he annoyed the admin staff, and since the board has been going through a slump for a while now, you decided to lay all of that at his feet and actually bought into it yourselves that banning him would somehow fix everything.


    If you keep up this drama queen nonsense, you're damn straight I'm just going to go
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    Your threats to leave included. :diacanu:
  12. Amaris

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  13. Captain X

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    Except that "fixed" in this case simply was "banned." :bergman:

    Except that this is what happened. And people also complained quite a bit about Castle's banning, right up until he broke the one rule of this place pretty much everyone agrees to. has gturner doxxed anyone? I see no reason why he should still be banned, or to have even been banned to begin with. It's ridiculous - Ramen did something really offensive in a manner that could have been taken as a personal threat, yet he was only temp banned. The best excuse anyone can come up with for gturner's ban is that he was "disruptive." :jayzus:
  14. Mrs. Albert

    Mrs. Albert demented estrogen monster

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    1000 times this.
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  15. Amaris

    Amaris Content Provider

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    Look, just do whatever you guys want. If you want gturner back, bring him back. It's not like anyone actually gives a shit about principles anymore, anyway. It's all about being entertained. You deserve whatever you end up getting.
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  16. A Bangkok Atheist

    A Bangkok Atheist Don't believe his lies

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    Two of those four are already unbanned. Unbanning the other two would not necessarily guarantee the return of those posters that left, and may in fact have the opposite effect you think it will have. :shrug:
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  17. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Entirely possible. But on balance, less bans are better than more bans.
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  18. A Bangkok Atheist

    A Bangkok Atheist Don't believe his lies

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    *Fewer :async:

    So we should unban the spambots too?

    Online communities put bans in place for the good of the community, and so far, this community has been improved from those bans. We certainly lost a few people, but we've been losing people since Wordforge's start, both for decisions to ban other members and for decisions to let other members back in (among other reasons). And members have even been driven off for the decision to permit such toxic members to continue posting. There is nothing to suggest that the net effect of unbanning those two would bring back more members than it would send away.

    Already, we've gained at least two new members (for completely unrelated reasons) to offset the two members who decided to stop posting here due to gturner's ban.
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  19. Dr. Krieg

    Dr. Krieg White Noise Machine. Administrator Overlord

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    That is, if The Grand Wizard Dinner doesn't scare them off.
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  20. Faceman

    Faceman Making Wordforge Great Again

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    Yes we know you don't give a shit about principles.
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  21. Faceman

    Faceman Making Wordforge Great Again

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    You assume that those two new posters are two different posters and that they are different posters than posters that have been banned. :unsure:
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  22. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    Oh, so they're your duals :chris:
    I mean, you have been banned before...
  23. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    Flaming in Help Desk. Warned.

    What the fuck is wrong with you? Enjoy your holiday from the board; see you in a week.
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  24. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    Per discussion amongst the staff and owners, @K.'s revision of Rule 8 has been placed into the rules. A reminder:

    8. In General, Don't Be A Complete Asshole.

    At WordForge, we value free expression; more so than most other sites. However, the aim here is to have open debates, and fun. The aim is not to figure out a way to break the site or its community beyond repair. Free speech is part of a triad of what we value, and depends on its other two parts: including individual members, and overall community. If your use of free speech interferes with either of the other parts, there will be consequences, including but not limited to anything from warnings to temporary or even permanent bans. We trust our staff to make that call. If you feel that you do not know how to avoid being a complete asshole without a set of detailed instructions, this might not be the right site for you.


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    An aside: This should be common sense enough that this rule shouldn't need to be invoked, even retroactively, in an event of a banning.
    But should anyone want to lawyerball @Dinner's ban, remember that this is the Help Desk, which does not have the protections of the Red Room in place, there have been many friendly warnings over time in this forum about trolling and/or flaming in the Help Desk, there have been prior warnings handed out in this thread, and I specifically asked to keep this thread civil in the first post. If he chooses to take umbridge over this, I invite him to do so in a new thread upon his return in one week.

    Any further discussion in this thread should be focused on the rule change, and the amendment to Rule 8.
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  25. Faceman

    Faceman Making Wordforge Great Again

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    Very well. I will continue being just a substantial though incomplete asshole.
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  26. 14thDoctor

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    I still don't buy it. How long was Paladin a staff member? How many questionable bans and decisions did he accept without stepping down? Starguard is a perfect example of a member being banned because he wasn't liked, and Paladin had no problem sticking around when it happened. But now a prolific "right-winger" gets banned and it's just too much for him? :drama:
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  27. Zombie

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    Yep.

    Agree 1000%.

    Gturner was banned because Gul didn't like him. Gul is just not man enough to admit it. They tried to get away with the Violet Room and essentially try to soft-ban him by locking him in there and when that didn't work they just straight up banned him.
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  28. Zombie

    Zombie dead and loving it

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    Or Paladin like many of us realized that the ban was bullshit. Gturner wasn't banned for spamming. Flashlight proved that by listing all the threads started by Gturner. Gturner was not spamming the board. You might not have liked his topics or his stupidity in responding to questions directed to him but he wasn't spamming.

    Gturner was banned because Gul and John didn't like him. That's it. Gul in particular was probably crying that Trump got elected and he decided to take it out on Gturner.

    The whole Violet Room fiasco was a smokescreen to get Gturner locked into that room.
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  29. The Flashlight

    The Flashlight Contributes nothing worthwhile

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    Watching KAGER, Christopher and the rest of the WF intelligencia repeatedly attempt to justify banning people based on nothing but petty grudges and personality conflicts.....

    Well, it's like a douchebag professor continuing to lecture long after the class has been locked out of the room. He's just talking to himself.

    I guess what these folks want is a board where there are only 5 or 6 people posting. Good luck with that.
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    He has been in their cross hairs, but he didn't exactly help things by repeatedly flaming John with MLP stuff in this forum.
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