SARS II: Respiratory Boogaloo

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  1. Tuckerfan

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    Yeah, I live in a state where a disturbing number of people think the pandemic is a hoax. Anybody who wants to get vaxxed is fine by me.
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  2. MikeH92467

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    The vaccination drive started with the "most vulnerable" groups. Nursing home residents, elderly and medical workers. Right now the most vulnerable group appears to be much younger. In my book, it's time to just open things up. Spring break might have been a missed opportunity to emphasize free for all vaccinations in Florida. Some of the open sites apparently were ghost towns. Would have been nice to figure out some way to entice college students willing to take a break from their partying to stop in for a shot...especially if it could have been J&J.
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    Well, we got our crazies here in the Netherlands...

    https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/...es-for-planning-attack-on-vaccination-centre/
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    US science institutions to blame for lab leak possibility?

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    There was a time when they didn't make mistakes like this. Actually, this looks less like a "mistake" than a deliberate misrepresentation. God knows DeSantis is an asshole and corruption is certainly a possibility, even a likelihood, but this kind of thing should not happen. :brood:
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    Definitely.

    And digging in once they started to get justifiably criticized is absolutely the wrong thing to do.
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  8. We Are Borg vs. USS Crazy Horse

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    This is the worse part of the story:

    "In the end, this all could benefit DeSantis"

    60 Minutes' sloppy reporting on this matter, and apparent unwillingness to retract it, actually feeds into the nutjobs' view of the media.
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I've already seen it from friends on Facebook. "See? See? :mob:"

    And, in this instance at least, 60 Minutes is indefensible.
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  10. NAHTMMM

    NAHTMMM Conversant in dark parables

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    It's the wrong thing to do every time, and people keep doing it. Back your subordinates as appropriate, explain yourself, but don't just stubbornly double down.
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  11. We Are Borg vs. USS Crazy Horse

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    Nearly 40% of Marines have declined Covid-19 vaccine

    The Marine Corps said this: "there are a number of potential reasons a Marine may choose not to receive a vaccine, including allowing others to receive it first, waiting until it becomes mandatory, getting it through other channels or being allergic to the vaccine."

    What a bunch of bullshit.

    Hoo-rah!
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    I mentioned this previously - I was shocked that not getting vaccinated is a problem with all the branches. But the COVID vaccine isn't DFA approved, so by law the military can't make the vaccine mandatory. That said mask use is strictly enforced here on Fort Gordon GA and it applies to everyone setting foot on the installation - military, contractors, dependents, etc.
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    Got it. 18 ours later, no ill effects (not that I'd even notice any aches and pains next to what I already have).
    My cell phone reception seems to have improved, tho. :D

    Valley Hospital in Ridgewood, NJ, had a very efficient assembly line setup with nice friendly people. The only waiting was afterward - they have you wait 15 minutes to make sure the shot doesn't kill you or something.
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    This woman Karen is no relation, but even if she were I'd throw her under the bus and then reverse it over her.

    https://crooksandliars.com/2021/04/anti-masker-gets-month-jail-coughing

    Good decision, judge.

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    I always blow that off. :dayton: 15 seconds would be more like it.
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    I wish they'd saved that asshat's tears, so I could drink them with joy.

    Fucking idiot got what she deserved. Good.

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    You'd probably catch Covid drinking her tears, even if vaccinated.
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    That looks like a Mickey Mouse hand.
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  22. Tuckerfan

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    Fascinating. A pan-SARS vaccine would be huge, though I’m not sure putting Spike directly into the body, particularly the blood, is safe (the mRNA vaccines don’t create free Spike, rather the infected cells present Spike on their own surfaces). Hopefully the ferritin cores prevent the worst effects of free Spike.
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  24. Tuckerfan

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    Look up the woman who first proposed the idea of mRNA vaccines. She spent decades convincing people that she thought that they were possible. She now thinks that they could be used to treat a host of diseases. Even if only half the number she suggests are possible, that’s still fucking impressive.
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  25. Ancalagon

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    I can’t believe how fucking stupid this is. More Americans will die and this pandemic will last longer. No one will see the vaccine cleared (which it will) and go ‘I am now satisfied that this is safe’ all they will know ‘that vaccine is so dangerous they had to stop using it’. How big a fucking own goal. FUCK!


    6 out of 7 million for the vaccine.

    Compared to 1 out of 1000 for hormonal birth control.
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  26. Ebeneezer Goode

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    This the J&J clot pause?

    I initially had that response to the AZ one and the EU, especially as they'd been playing politics over it, however it's the type of clot that's the issue.

    If the incidence is anything like the AZ one, the absolute risk is smaller than long covid IIRC, so pausing it for certain demographics may make sense, but not pausing it absolutely.
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  27. ed629

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    The odds of developing a blood clot on your own is around 2-5%, the 6 who got the blood clots is probably more coincidental than being a factor. :facepalm:
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  28. Forbin

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    Yeah, they're still trying to figure out if it had anything to do with the vax. The six people were all women of a specific age group with a specific blood disorder.
    Glad the wife and I got ours just in time.
  29. MikeH92467

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    It's a "Kobayashi Maru" scenario. Press on and you risk providing fodder for the anti-vax movement which would no doubt be screaming "cover up!" Pausing risks unnecessarily setting back the overall efforts to vaccinate as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Biden & Co. have gone with door number 2. J&J fits perfectly into the Great Scheme of Things, but now it will easy for anti vaxxers to exploit the "pause" by claiming that it's less desirable and being foisted off on poor and minorities whilst the "rich" and "white" get the good stuff.
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    Yup, that’s it exactly. Total risk isn’t the right lens, but risk in particular demographics. And yeah, it looks like it’s exactly like the AZ one (which makes sense, given the platform for both is a modified adenovirus). A handful of women under 50 with the same rare blot clot. So just pause it for them (preferably an even smaller demographic if they have enough data to narrow it further), keep giving it to everyone else.
    The bigger problem, of course, is that P.1 is here (US) and the 50% efficacy isn’t nearly enough to create herd immunity, and we have no data on asymptomatic transmission of it among vaccinated people. Much as people would like to believe it, the pandemic isn’t over, or even close to it. Fuck Bolsonaro, he should be held personally responsible for turning Brazil into a Petri dish and unleashing the variant on the world.

    ETA: to be clear, it should probably be paused only long enough to get doctors trained and documentation written up for patients to be able to figure out if one is occurring (it doesn't sound like it happens within the observation window). That could take a few days or more. But that's it. Still need to get vaccines in arms.
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