Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Ancalagon, Feb 17, 2021.
Not sure if this should go in the GR thread.
Posted earlier in the tweet thread.
For those wondering why Texas is the only state suffering crippling power outages it is due to a near hundred year old Supreme Court ruling that if Texas wasn’t connected to the two (east and west) national grids their power didn’t have to fall under federal regulations. So they have their own power grid.
And now all their (Republican) politicians are trying to blame clean energy (even though it makes up less than 20% of production and has fallen less than fossil fuel or nuke production).
The RR aspect seems to be "look what happens when you rely on renewable energy!" versus "some of the coal plants are frozen too, this is what happens when you don't winterize your infrastructure!"
Also, what happens when your hatred of SOCIALISM!!1! makes you think price gouging is totally okay.
Looks like the government commission rules forced suppliers to choose between unplugging or incurring huge losses because the regulators didn't anticipate the possibility of huge changes in demand. This is a huge regulatory failure, unless you think it's rational a supplier should go bankrupt or deeply in debt because of state constraints on the market. Of course, only diehard statists who failed to learn the lessons of the 20th Century would think that...
It seems government policy prefers the sheep freeze than that they get a higher electric bill and possibly blame their politicians...
And yet Texas is the only state with the elderly freezing to death in their homes...
You Market Fundies love your Econ 101 theories and all but reality... Reality she ain’t such a fan...
Regulator to frozen granny corpsicle: "Hey, at least I kept your bill from being too high!"
Interesting but not surprising you leave reality to talk hypothetical.
How much did other states raise rates to keep their citizens from freezing to death?
How many other states had Texas's regulatory regime?
All other states operate under the Federal regulatory regime.
Texas had their own system specifically so they could have their own regulatory regime.
Since 2003 Texas has been under the complete control (both houses of the leg and the governorship) of the Republican Party.
Which they used to sell off and deregulate their power grid.
What’s your point again?
And you failed to answer the question. How much did every other state have to raise their rates to keep their elderly from freezing to death in their homes?
It's irrelevant. My point is that Texas's regulators failed.
That you should do some research before resorting to lazy partisanship.
The Texas Public Utility Commission was established in 1975. Care to guess which party controlled the Texas legislature then?
Follow up question:
Name me a single place in Free Market/Energy Capitol of the World/Republican Paradise Texas that pays less for electricity than us Communist/Expensive Hell Hole/Business Hating Seattle City Light (as in we own it) customers pay.
I’m sure there have to be dozens of places. Just throw a dart and you’ll hit one.
Gotta be super easy.
I mean... A 15 minute google search will pull it up.
I can’t believe I’m even asking you.
In just a few minutes you will totally answer this and show me up.
Hey! You can do some research. That bodes well for my above question.
I am sure you will answer me shortly.
However your ancient history is quite irrelevant.
The current board is almost entirely made up of appointees from what party?
And the majority have been appointed by this party for how many years?
Don't change the subject. I make no claims about, nor have any interest in comparing, electricity rates. I only wanted to illustrate that the problem in Texas was regulatory, nor market, failure. You seem to have accepted that (since we're now focused on accountability), and are trying to affix blame in a partisan way.
I literally showed you which party created the regime. But in any event the point is the same: whichever party you ascribe them to, the regulators are what failed.
Not even gonna respond. Just quoting to save.
Your inability to rebut even one damn thing says much more than I ever could.
And so much more succinctly.
The Texas grid got crushed because its operators didn’t see the need to prepare for cold weather
Republicans blame frozen wind turbines, but the problem was much bigger than that
The ERCOT website removed the names and contact info of its board members and other employees because they were rightfully afraid that they’d receive threats or worse.
Is Paladin saying the Texas grid should have been better regulated? Implying there would be no problem if there had been stricter or better-enforced regulations?
Pretty clearly. I wouldn't mistake that for thinking Federal regs would be inherently better, or that Texas should have submitted to them.
This is the world Republicans want.
Flights to Cancun.
Burn your fucking state to the fucking ground, flee to a foreign country, bootlickers like @Paladin will still lick boots so why the fuck not?!?! Get it while the gettings good man! No reason your family should suffer!
Saw a screenshot of turbines in Antarctica that work just fine, so....
F for Texas, I guess
Haven't had a chance to track down the veracity of the claims, but they're pretty damning.
You beat me by six minutes. While I was typing up a DEVASTATING reply that TOTALLY OWNED THE LIBS Rs.
You goat fucker.
Former Governor and Former Energy Secretary Rick Perry (the SecEnergy who didn't know what the department did when he took the job) says being a little chilly is better than having the feds take over the Texas grid.
“Texans would be without electricity for longer than three days to keep the federal government out of their business,” Perry said. “Try not to let whatever the crisis of the day is take your eye off of having a resilient grid that keeps America safe personally, economically, and strategically.”
The former governor, who once called former President Donald Trump “the chosen one,” was responding to a prompt from McCarthy suggesting that “those watching on the left may see the situation in Texas as an opportunity to expand their top-down, radical proposals.”
According to Perry, the way to prevent future blackouts is to ensure that Texas has reliable baseload energy resources, which typically refers to coal, natural gas and nuclear-based power plants.
I'm sure Paladin agrees.
An apartment building in Dallas:
Hey! Trivia question here. For a moment let’s pretend every US state was its own country.
In this scenario, what ‘country’ in the entire world would be the largest net exporter* of Natural Gas IN THE WORLD?!?!
*Yes in this case I am including pass-through
Separate names with a comma.