Spectre Unmasked: Racist 'Alt-Right' Podcaster Used To Be Local Reporter

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Bailey, Jun 22, 2020.

  1. NAHTMMM

    NAHTMMM Conversant in dark parables

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    13,198
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Ratings:
    +6,569
    I wanted to believe he wasn't anywhere near that far gone. :(
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2004
    Messages:
    12,587
    Location:
    Marietta, GA AKA epicenter of the Blue Tsunami
    Ratings:
    +9,595
    He didn't go anywhere. My first interaction in 2004 reminded me of being spat on by the schoolyard bully. The conversation was about the behavior of whites towards american indians.
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • popcorn popcorn x 1
    • Sad Sad x 1
  3. K.

    K. Sober

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    27,290
    Ratings:
    +31,206
    I greatly respect your reflection here. Let me just add that to my mind, WF was not generally more permissive in those days. It was just more permissive in one direction. A poster who regularly and seriously called for the murder of all Christians, for instance, would not have prospered -- but several posters were doing the same for Muslims. I say 'would not have prospered' and not 'would not have been allowed', because I am not sure the latter would have been true; but it certainly never came up, because of the former. And I share the guilt for that to the extent that I ever influenced opinion on this board: I too was arguing for a 'general freedom of speech' at the time, and not realizing that this effectively excluded many opinions by its blindness to the implicit bias with which those freedoms were used.
    • Agree Agree x 7
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    33,080
    Location:
    Someplace high and cold
    Ratings:
    +33,210
    Regardless, I still hold that more freedom is better than less freedom. Would it profit anyone to hide what Storm is? Or is it better to have it out in the open for all to see?
  5. Jenee

    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2008
    Messages:
    17,501
    Location:
    Touring the Galaxy
    Ratings:
    +9,523
    It's not the freedom to do so that is the problem. It's that too many people keep quiet when they should be denouncing bullshit. The problem is silent acceptance.
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Winner Winner x 2
  6. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2004
    Messages:
    12,587
    Location:
    Marietta, GA AKA epicenter of the Blue Tsunami
    Ratings:
    +9,595
    We weren't too silent, it's just that the storm front was too loud. He fucking defined the place.
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Sad Sad x 1
  7. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne 1/06 Was An Inside Job Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    39,983
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +49,167
    It's not like he hid it very well in the first place. But most of the board ignored the shit I said, the shit Mewa said, what Vandy said, what Chup said, what Actormike said, what Crosis said, what TKO said, to say nothing of the other posters who walked away in silent disgust. We've lost both Nick and Amaris over this racist shit because neither wants their real life names attached to this shit and I don't blame them.

    What some of you call freedom of speech, many saw as harrassment. My God, that shit he spewed at an underaged teen girl is despicable. People wanted Ted Wolf gone for less.
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2020
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Love Love x 1
  8. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2004
    Messages:
    12,587
    Location:
    Marietta, GA AKA epicenter of the Blue Tsunami
    Ratings:
    +9,595
    what specific freedom are you protecting here guapa? storm's freedom to post freely?
    • Agree Agree x 2
  9. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    33,080
    Location:
    Someplace high and cold
    Ratings:
    +33,210
    The freedom of expression. Declaring that someone may not express themself because you find it offensive is a very slippery slope to stand on. Far better to use the disinfectant effect of sunlight and exposure to allow people to show you who and what they really are.
    • Facepalm Facepalm x 2
  10. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2004
    Messages:
    12,587
    Location:
    Marietta, GA AKA epicenter of the Blue Tsunami
    Ratings:
    +9,595
    Are you talking about now or then?
  11. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    41,302
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +72,740
    If sunlight was the best disinfectant, Trump wouldn’t be President. He got more media coverage than any other candidate in 2016.
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Winner Winner x 3
  12. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    33,080
    Location:
    Someplace high and cold
    Ratings:
    +33,210
    Both. More freedom is always better than less.

    Trump won in part because of that. All the free "Trump is horrible" press allowed him to more fully connect with his base. As a result, at least for me personally, a few of my "friends" are now known to me to be complete fuckin' idiots.
  13. Jenee

    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2008
    Messages:
    17,501
    Location:
    Touring the Galaxy
    Ratings:
    +9,523
    If we go that way, then EVERYONE on the board would need to denounce that speech. Not just the ones to whom racist and homophobic remarks are directed. Even the bullshit thrown at Tererun.
    • Winner Winner x 1
  14. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2004
    Messages:
    12,587
    Location:
    Marietta, GA AKA epicenter of the Blue Tsunami
    Ratings:
    +9,595
    With storm's exposure as being abusive to talkahuano and on the SPLC hatewatch report you still want to give him a platform?
    • popcorn popcorn x 4
  15. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    25,176
    Ratings:
    +31,079
    Funny how your commitment to "freedom of expression" didn't extend to Starguard starting Cleopatra threads in the Red Room, or baba getting a bit too spammy. Those types of expression resulted in bans under your ownership.

    But when it's white nationalists sexually harassing minors, suddenly you pretend like you've got principles. :brood:
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • popcorn popcorn x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  16. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    33,080
    Location:
    Someplace high and cold
    Ratings:
    +33,210
    I would not give him a platform. But I would also not deny him one. Remember, when you're abusive to someone in a public space, you are in turn opening yourself to abuse. You counter a bully by beating the shit out of them, not by pretending they don't exist.
    • Facepalm Facepalm x 2
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  17. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    44,629
    Location:
    Downtown
    Ratings:
    +37,802
    How did that work with Storm?
    • Love Love x 1
  18. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    33,080
    Location:
    Someplace high and cold
    Ratings:
    +33,210
    He's gone, isn't he?
    • Facepalm Facepalm x 1
  19. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne 1/06 Was An Inside Job Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    39,983
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +49,167
    ^
    He is, and so are all the quality posters his joke-y racist routine ran off. :dayton:
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  20. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    44,629
    Location:
    Downtown
    Ratings:
    +37,802
    Not due to any pushback from the leadership or membership. He got bored of the place and moved on. Go look at his drop by thread where he was welcomed with open arms (including by me, I have since removed my ‘like’).

    It could be argued that this board and others’ embrace of his racist and misogynist ‘trolling’ convinced him that deep down a lot of people agreed with it.

    Did we help radicalize him?
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2020
    • popcorn popcorn x 3
    • Sad Sad x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  21. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    43,286
    Location:
    The Steam Pipe Trunk Distribution Venue
    Ratings:
    +28,539
    He definitely appears to have gone underground, even IRL.

    The reporter-y searches I've done on him (which usually yield at least some results) have come up empty. :chris:
    • popcorn popcorn x 3
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
    • Sad Sad x 1
  22. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    43,286
    Location:
    The Steam Pipe Trunk Distribution Venue
    Ratings:
    +28,539
    Disregard.

    I just remembered that he went by a pen name with his writing. :diacanu:
    • popcorn popcorn x 3
  23. Jenee

    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2008
    Messages:
    17,501
    Location:
    Touring the Galaxy
    Ratings:
    +9,523
    Considering white supremacists are now being charged with crimes, I'm not surprised he's gone underground.
    • popcorn popcorn x 2
  24. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2004
    Messages:
    12,587
    Location:
    Marietta, GA AKA epicenter of the Blue Tsunami
    Ratings:
    +9,595
    He's unpublishable by anything but alt-right sites. Is that what you mean by underground? He didn't go underground, he was no longer desired.

    Unless he's paranoid. I'd give that high probability.

    Or he's avoiding his wife and/or girlfriend.
  25. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey official beverage of antifa

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2004
    Messages:
    24,666
    Ratings:
    +20,728
    I'd go the other way... his cult of personality here entrenched the same Lord of the Flies group mentality that elected Trump. Catchy derogatory nicknames, over the top cartoonish racism, macho posturing, and then just human enough to be relatable.

    Putin should hire the guy...
    • Agree Agree x 6
  26. TheLonelySquire

    TheLonelySquire Fresh Meat

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2008
    Messages:
    7,370
    Ratings:
    +3,702
    Well, there are various degrees here...
  27. Rincewiend

    Rincewiend 21st Century Digital Boy

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    4,906
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    Ratings:
    +3,164
    I didn't call this place "Stormfront-lite" for nothing during the Obama years...
    The open permitted racism was the reason i hardly posted here for close to a decade...
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • popcorn popcorn x 1
    • Sad Sad x 1
  28. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    29,698
    Location:
    Unknown, but I know how fast I'm going.
    Ratings:
    +24,233
    Thank you. It's genuine, I assure you.

    I have a general rule when it comes to free speech. That being, some version of, "How you truly feel about the freedom of speech is reflected in how you treat speech you loathe and abhor."

    I unequivocally loathe the words said by and ideas behind White Supremacist persons and causes. My duty is to say that publicly and repeatedly. Do we, as a society, not require all Muslims to publicly prostrate themselves and apologize for the bad acts of terrorists? If that's right and just in some people's minds, then surely the silence of well-meaning white people regarding white supremacists is equally offensive because, at the end of the day, that's what white supremacists and NAZI's are. They're terrorists and they need to be treated as such.
    • Winner Winner x 4
    • Agree Agree x 2
  29. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    25,176
    Ratings:
    +31,079
    We absolutely provided a safe space to help him develop and practice his routine, and supplied him with a steady group of adoring fanboys to encourage him. :(
    • Sad Sad x 4
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  30. Jenee

    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2008
    Messages:
    17,501
    Location:
    Touring the Galaxy
    Ratings:
    +9,523
    I wouldn't say "publicly prostrate" or even apologize for the bad behavior of others. But, we definitely need to call them out when we see it. Shame them. and let others know that not everyone agrees with or tolerates that.
    • Agree Agree x 2