Spider-Man: Far From Home (spoilers here)

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  1. Diacanu

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    Okay, now spoilers.

    Okay, the multiverse stuff from the ads?

    Bullshit.
    Mysterio is lying.

    BUT.....at the same time, not bullshit, because....

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    Goddammit, I quoted that last post to say I wasn't going to read it and--duh!--the spoiler appears in plain text! S'okay, I'll survive.

    Sounds awesome.
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    "So, let me get this straight...you quoted the post with the spoiler in it..."

    "Yeah."

    "...and you thought--what?--that the spoiler was still going to be spoiler-tagged in the quote text?"

    "Uh, yeah, I guess I musta thought that."

    "Dumbass."
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    Saw it.

    Very good. Better than Spider-Man: Homecoming (though Michael Keaton's Vulture was the more compelling bad guy).

    People who read the comics know what Mysterio's shtick is, but I loved how cleverly they worked his objective into the story. I only realized what the goal was a minute or so before it was revealed, even though it was in plain sight. The screenplay writers are adept at having sequences that seem like random action bits, but are really important in the development of the plot.

    Liked the travelogue nature of the film: the plot involves Peter Parker and some of his high school classmates going to Europe. Of course, everywhere they go unfortunately gets wrecked. When I saw the trailer, I wondered how it could be that the class trip goes to where each "attack" occurs, but a simple and logical storytelling device solves the problem neatly.

    The legacy of Tony Stark looms large in this one, and it drives the plot in several ways. I liked that. Somewhat dissappointed the scene with the cops in the trailer didn't make it into the film, but we already got the message: people expect Spider-Man to be the next Iron Man.

    The antagonist's plot is pretty good. A revelation scene makes sure we understand all the details. Nice that some actors from earlier films got to play the same characters again.

    Aunt May. :wub:

    The leads are good and appealing. Jackson seems a little off at times but, given the plot developments, maybe this is intentional.

    The recurring bit about the "cheap European knockoff" version of Spider-Man (the German lady at the train station and the cop in the Netherlands) is a funny gag.

    The mid-credits scene goes from fun to YES! to HOLY SHIT in the course of a minute. Loved it, but it has BIIIG implications for the next film.

    The end-credits scene is fun as well, but I want to know what the, uh, project is. Clearly, something big and important.

    Fun, with likeable leads, and a plot that's more clever than I gave it credit for, Spider-Man: Far From Home is recommended. It's in the upper half of Marvel films. 7.0/10.
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    You're too harsh.

    Easily a minimum of 8/10.
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    Above 8 is getting into "great" territory for me, and, although I liked Spider-Man: Far From Home, I'd only call it "very good." I've liked 10 MCU films better. :shrug:

    Why would you rate it higher? What did you think was best about it?
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    Having just watched the re-release of Endgame a week earlier, I found Far From Home to be a nice counter-balance to the (largely) sombre mood.

    I also liked how the writers handled Mysterio. Us comic nerds knew something was up, but it was handled extremely well and kept us guessing. Other people I saw the film with, who had never read Spidey comics, were completely taken off guard by the big revelation. Also, the two end-credit scenes were among the best ever in the MCU.
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    Also, I love the name of the new A.I.:

    EDITH

    (Even in Death I'm The Hero)

    :rotfl: :lol:
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    :wtf:

    Oh, shit.

    It's done well, but $400 million more? In the summer with new releases coming?

    Maybe, but kinda doubtin' it.

    So, if/when Sony gets the property back, do you suppose they'll recast/reboot?
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    They can always steal Tom Holland via the multiverse.
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    I suppose they can. Sony doesn't need (and, anyway, can't use) the rest of the MCU in their films, but they could continue with Holland as Spider-Man. I presume this would entail Sony contracting Holland for new films.

    But I'd really rather Spider-Man continue in the MCU for one more film. :sob:
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    I don't see it hitting $1-billion, but who knows. :shrug:
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    It could if it really holds on. Competition isn't too fierce until The Lion King comes out.

    I personally am betting NO, it doesn't reach $1 billion worldwide. Somewhere in the $800-850 million range, about what Spider-Man: Homecoming did.
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    If the deal gets re-upped, I wonder how many more crossover movies that puts back on the clock.

    I wanna see Spidey be friends with Human Torch.
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    I think the deal is--correct me if I'm wrong--either 1 more film for Marvel (SM:FFH grosses > $1 billion) or NO more films for Marvel (< $1 billion). Yes, Sony could always renew the deal, but I don't imagine they would. Venom was successful enough ($855 million!) that I think they're ready to try their own take on it.
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    1 billion buys them just one more movie?
    I suppose that could be the deal, but it'd be a bad one.
    I would think 1 billion would buy an automatic re-negotiation.
    And that re-negotiation would lead very quickly to a sequel of the first 5 movie deal since that one worked so well.
    If Tyson vs Holyfield rakes in the PPV bucks, you want a rematch.
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    That's my understanding. And Holland is only contracted to Marvel for one more film.
    Certainly, I think Sony would WANT to explore continuing the deal if the grosses were that high. But SM:H did $885 million and SM:FFH looks to be on a similar path. Venom, without Marvel Studios involvement, did the same amount. Maybe Sony's thinking it would be better to do their own Spider-Man, to fuly control it.
    You certainly want more of that, but maybe if you're Sony you're thinking you don't need Marvel for that.
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    They don't "split the money", though.
    Not in he conventional sense.

    Sony keeps every penny of the Homecoming movies, and Marvel has to pay a little chunk of the crossovers to Sony, but it's mostly a token.
    What Marvel loses on the Homecoming movies, they more than make up for in the profits of the crossovers.
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    You're right and I knew that, I edited to remove that reference.

    What Sony gives up is control, not money.
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    Also, Far From Home is part of the original deal.
    5 movies.
    1. Civil War
    2. Homecoming
    3. Infinity War
    4. Endgame
    5. Far From Home
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    Six movies: whatever the next one is (if there's a next one).
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    Nope, 5.
    FFH is the cutoff.
    That's why it has to make a billion to make the renewal kick in.

    I know 6 makes sense cuz that completes the Homecoming trilogy, but it was 5.
    I have the old posts to prove it.
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    Oh, sorry, I think I was on the wrong thing. I was thinking of Tom Holland's contract, which is for six films.

    Marvel and Sony have a five film deal, with an option for a sixth if the fifth (SM:FFH) is suitably profitable, no?

    What I don't know: does the Marvel deal continue as long as certain profit targets are hit? Or does it stop after six no matter what? (Yes, they could always renew it...)
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    That's what the Dark Horizons article doesn't make entirely clear.
    I inferred that the 5 movie deal ends dead stop, unless FFH makes a billion (and it was a detail we were never privy to before).
    What happens after that, we kind of have to conjecture.

    I've supposed it would be a re-negotiation for another 5.
    That would make it an even 10, and keep Spidey around for the arrival of the Fantastic Four and X-Men.

    Your theory is it would only limp them along one movie at a time.
    Which could be true, but it would be damned sloppy and irresponsible.
    Each movie has to crack a billion each time?
    No one can keep that going, and it'd be Sony just being pricks.

    BUT, studios have been known to strangle the golden goose before.

    Oh, and here's the old Collider article that says 5 movies.
    I went to the trouble, I'm not throwing it away. :whew:
    http://collider.com/spider-man-marvel-sony-deal-explained/
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    As for why Sony/Marvel made a deal for 5, and Tom Holland is signed on for 6.....

    Maybe it's like how hot dogs and buns don't match up?
    :shrug:
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