Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

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  1. 14thDoctor

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    Garak planted a bomb on the Romulan ship, killing a senator and the ships crew. Sisko didn't technically know until after the fact, but Garak argued he knew all along that something like that would be required for the plan to work.

    Garak also probably killed the guy that forged the data rod as well. :async:
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    Cool... noticed this while watching the latest episode. A view in Discovery's engineering room. I cropped this image to match the next one.

    Discovery Engineering.jpg

    And Enterprise's engineering room.

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    Show is really surprising me, looking like we're actually getting a serialized debate on things.

    The military vs civilian aspects of Starfleet, turning a blind eye to morality and ethics in the name of survival, if following orders is a big enough justification for actions...

    Closest thing is DS9, but even that tended to bottle episodes when it wanted to send a message - 5 minutes lead-in, dramatic music clip, opening credits, 30 minute story, 4:30 lead-out, 0:30 pensive look, closing credits.

    We've got Lorca, who I'm thinking isn't S31 - he'd work with S31 to achieve his ends, but doesn't seem the type to give a shit about skulking in the dark, more of a phaser to face guy - but the battle hardened warrior who thinks the hour has cometh, and he is the man that has cometh for it. Pragmatic, unrelenting. And obviously clashing with his crew, and there'll be another clash as Georgiou's Will message will have struck a chord with an already uneasy Burnham over using the Tardigrade.

    Saru is the counterpoint, and I'm wondering if he's going to end up facing a similar decision as Burnham on being a mutineer down the line. Will Lorca's willingness to put aside morals and ethics in the name of victory eventually clash with his Starfleet training and beliefs?

    I also think the tardigrade may be the McGuffin as to why the spore drive is eventually abandoned. I suspect it opens a door for macroscopic versions of microscopic creatures to cross into Discovery's reality - maybe this will give us the origin of TOS's unfeasibly large amoeba? Could also be that they can only ever use the tardigrades, in which case you'd expect Starfleet to destroy all data lest powers less worried about enslaving creatures use it against them and mothball the research.

    And I think the cloaking ship is going to end up Property of Romulus in short order.

    Hopefully we're going to see some good questions ahead - Trek has always piously preached about the high road, but when faced with existential threats sometimes you have to do the indefensible and hope one day you do enough good to balance out those desperate hours. May even be the point where S31 turns from being the clandestine agency to an actual fleet-within-a-fleet, recognising the Federations own moral code isn't a universal one and is actively a hindrance in its long survival.
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    @Ebeneezer Goode is describing a show that I would love to see. This show might eventually become it, but right now, all the little sloppy bits around the edges keep it from greatness, IMO.

    To pick just one example: Lorca is indeed supposed to be a pragmatist who does not care for lurking in the shadows. Only he literally lurks in shadows in what has to be the most heavy-handed symbolism in the history of Western storytelling, and he does so explicitly because he is a sentimentalist who didn't want to have his damaged eyes replaced. These scripts all need a second round of editing, and that's a shame given how massively delayed the show is in the first place.
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    Other than the symbolism, what's the problem with him having both pragmatic and sentimental aspects?

    People are complex. There are scientists who'll want proof of something, yet will go to church to pray. People who, in most other aspects, are perfectly rational, but wouldn't catch a plane on Friday the 13th.

    People rarely follow a singular method in all aspects of their life, so I've zero problem reconciling a pragmatist not being pragmatic about certain things. See similar all the time.
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    All of this is true, and it is extremely difficult to clearly delineate 'complex and realistically contradictory character portrait' against 'sloppy inconsistent depiction'. For me, this fell under the second column. Perhaps the difference just boils down to general perceived quality of the production, where a narrator who has gained my trust will get the benefit of the doubt. Which is much the same thing as my earlier problem where I descended into nitpicking mode because happy audience mode was no longer an option.
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    that, and I'd watch SMG read the phone book... :drool:
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    I will give them until then, but this reeks of lost and Lindlof's "everything will make sense in by the last episode" song and dance.
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    Well, Kurtzman is part of the Kurtzman, Orci, Lindleof trifecta that thout it would be a good idea to rehash TWOK, so there's a good possibility something dumb like that could happen.
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    The tardigrade has "a map of every known system"... seems a bit specific for a roaming animal. The Glenn's interface rig must interpret Ripper's navigational sense in a manner Starfleet tech can point at and say "Take us to this place". Which means the drive is going to be limited - barring unplanned jumps - to places the Federation has already mapped via long-range telescopes. So they couldn't try a jump to, say, the Delta Quadrant.

    And the system may be dangerous across particularly long-range jumps... did Stamets say he knew how to stop the accident that hit the Glenn, or could it occur again? Could it be linked to the pain Ripper experiences during the jumps? It they try and jump too far or too often, could the pain cause Ripper to pass out, losing the navigational link mid-jump?
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    Tricia helfer?
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    I'm all caught up.

    Much better in Ep. 3 and Ep. 4. However, the spore drive is the stupidest thing there is.

    And the uniforms look like something created by a 14 year old playing Star Trek: Online.

    Otherwise... getting better. Getting better.
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    I can almost see how the Enterprise uniforms could be linked with the Discovery ones.
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    Enterprise, yes. But not "The Cage", which is roughly contemporaneous.
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    True. Hopefully they'll come out with some reason for such a huge difference.
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    Yes, because between 1979 (when bumpy headed Klingons first appeared in TMP) and 1996 (when "Trials and Tribble-ations" aired), all of us Trek fans were breathlessly waiting for bumpy headed Klingons to be explained. :rolleyes:
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  27. Spaceturkey

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    because in 1965, things were done on the cheap?

    seriously... fuck the visual differences from TOS.
    would you watch something that poorly put together if it were produced today? I seriously doubt it.
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  28. 14thDoctor

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    One of the tie-in novels cited in-thread notes that crews of Constitution class vessels received special uniforms, to go along with the unique designs of that series. :async:
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  29. Diacanu

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    I don't think it's super important, I just think it's a fun challenge of the imagination, and it'd be neat if the writers took that challenge up.

    My fan solution, Enterprise really looks like Discovery on the inside, but they have a holographic desktop skin that makes it look like TOS because Kirk has a fetish for 1960's retro sci-fi.
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    When I'm in a TOS mood, I just add in the details mentally so that it doesn't look like the class play.
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