Discussion in 'Media Central' started by Diacanu, Jul 20, 2019.
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He’s comparing T’Pol to the Bride of Frankenstein which they just watched.
If true, I liked it.
I just finally clued in!!!!!
FF thinks I was talking about the Discovery trailer because it was the newest one!!!!
He doesn't understand that Lower Decks had a trailer and opening scene, that this thread started with that, and doesn't remember that people were skeptical of it!!!
He has the memory of a goldfish, and thinks only brand new trailers count even in the wrong thread for them!!!
Jesus fucking Christ!!!
This is what is known as "keeping an open mind", a concept that I believe is quite unfamiliar to certain people:
It's Earth given the Uranus treatment with Australia and Antactica missing.
Hate me for posting a video if you want, but I thought this was pretty cool.
Mariner is bi, and Ramsey is her ex, and they're going to delve into that more in season 2.
A new security officer is going to replace Shaxs.
There will definitely be more TNG cameos.
We won't get the Picard uniforms for years if at all.
I had the suspicion they'd be making her bi when she mentioned dating that one alien species that preys on men to piss off her mom. Glad to see it explicitly confirmed
Baba I'm sure is in heaven right now about this
Mike McMahon says where season 1 leaned hardest into TNG references, season 2 dips more into DS9/Voy/Ent.
Only if they continue to rip into that piece of shit series like they did in the season finale of LD.
As a side note, and not to derail this thread, VOY and ENT are literally the only two Trek series where I have never watched an episode more than once.
I think that pretty much sums it up.
I won't lie, I never would've picked up "good" Trek if not for watching Enterprise (since nothing else new premiered within six weeks of 9/11), but if Tumblr and the Star Trek Shitposting FB group are any indication, both shows seem to have garnered a string fanbase in the post-binge watching era. I was particularly shocked by how people enjoy Archer when he got ripped on all the time in the TBBS days.
VOY had re-watchable eps, but they were nearly always Doc or Seven focused.
I will rewatch Prototype because it has a mention of Data, or Jetrel because it actually makes Neelix a character rather than comedy relief (Mortal Coil would come close, but has the "look, it's Naomi Wildman! Cute kid alert!!" issue)
VOY was inconsistent, but I actually enjoyed more than a few episodes. ENT was the first Trek I just gave up on and didn't bother to finish, but I did go to a watch party with @Raoul the Red Shirt for the series finale. Good times!
Whatever introduces you to the franchise!
You're at least mature (and smart) enough to recognize that ENT is one of the weaker, if not weakest, entries in the Trek 'verse.
A lot of losers rip on JJ's AwesomeTrek but fail to realize that Abrams, Kurtzman, et al were exactly the shot in the arm the franchise needed. You said it best in the Picard thread.
Different strokes for different folks.
Between broadcast, DVD and streaming, I've seen every episode of Trek before DIS at least twice.
I'm in the latter half of S6 for my third TNG full rewatch, in addition to having seen most of it either during its original run or in syndication since a couple of times.
DS9 is similar, probably watched most of it during its original run, and I've done two full rewatches, will probably start a third after I'm done with TNG.
VOY I caught at a guess about 70 percent while airing and I did two full rewatches. I probably will pick and choose certain eps if I ever go back to it.
ENT I saw all but maybe one episode during its original run and did one full rewatch.
I've seen the CBS All-Access shows (with maybe the exception of a Short Trek or two) at least once, but haven't yet gone back and rewatch more than a couple of DIS episodes and that was mostly because I drifted off. (Not a diss on DIS, but just a fact of binging anything might lead to nodding off and having to re-start.). I rewatched the first couple of PIC episodes, and have watched most episodes of LDS at least twice.
Oh! Oh! I'mma change my post above and also say any ep with Reg Barclay in it is the tits.
And not JUST because it often includes Troi.
The ending of Pathfinder is pure fucking joy.
In hindsight, Archer was supposed to be kind of a fuckup.
ENT is supposed to be the opposite of TNG.
Instead of a big powerful ship packing enough power to heal a whole fucking ozone layer, and cure earthquakes, we get a littler ship that breaks all the time.
Instead of the competence-porn of TNG, ENT's crew are bigoted, neurotic, horny, and in many cases, downright goofy.
I see what they were going for.
Execution was spotty, but...Berman so...
I mean, I get it too, but even when I was way less "woke" about this sorta thing, Archer came off as a spoiled trust fund baby who hated furriners for taking his daddy's jerb.
Granted, a huge section of the Archer bashers were Tucker fangirls who resented him taking time from their fave, but shit like ANISB and the last 2 minutes of Congenitor (the episode of Trek that's aged the absolute most poorly outside of TNG's first season) didn't help.
Execution wasn't just spotty. It was actively bad.
TPTB wanted to have it both ways in terms of Archer's competence. Despite supposedly being a space noob with an underpowered ship, the Enterprise crew managed to handle everything thrown at them with not a single fatality until the third season, IIRC.
Honestly, the person Archer should've been butting heads with wasn't T'Pol but Mayweather. Incompetent n00b captain versus a guy with more time in space than most of the Starfleet Admirals, and instead they made Mayweather more green than Harry Kim ever was.
There are so many things they could and should have done to dramatically improve that show:
1. Jettison the who Temporal Cold War storyline and make it truly just about the fonding of he Federation.
2. Made Shran or an Andorian character a regular.
3. As you say, make Mayweather a more grizzled know-it-all when it comes to space.
4. Really focus on core races like Klingon, Romulans, Tellarites, Orions instead of trying to introduce races from the TNG era even as one-ofs like Ferengi and the Borg.
5. Write Archer as less of a whiny, entitled daddy-issues having Vulcan-hating, proto-Kirk and more his own guy to play to Scott Bakula's strengths as a nearly 50-year-old dude.
All of this, but to Bermaga's marginal credit, this idea was foist upon them by UPN. It was that, or shove whatever "hip" soundtrack they wanted to promote into the background. Definitely a Sophie's Choice bit here.
I'm genuinely surprised Jeffery Combs wasn't offered a role on the show from the get-go, but God this. They should've got him onboard at the end of season 2 but whaddyagonnado?
Yeah, and that's why people at the time really dragged this show about. If they wanted TNG Part III, then fucking do that and don't greenlight a prequel. Pepe were sick of the Borg by mid-way season 4 of Voyager.
Either that or cast a guy capable of playing the asshole they wanted. That guy who played Lorca would've been a great fit.
I made a dig about the Team Tucker fangirls earlier, but a huge number of 'em were actually Quantum Leap fans who checked ENT out specifically because of Bakula. I feel genuinely bad for them in retrospect because they got fucked over coming into this fandom and hot fucked over when Trip got the second worst TV death I've seen in my life. Most of 'em swore off Trek forever.
I wonder if any of 'em have come back now that the Killer Bs are no longer involved.
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