Discussion in 'Media Central' started by Diacanu, May 16, 2019.
We’re talking about these new shows, not Voyager from the 90s. Get with it.
If that's what you meant, construct your sentences better.
Don't demand I telepathically correct your bad grammer skills in my head.
You tell me. You're the one who seems to be working the hard-on right now.
I thought you would know that since this thread is dedicated to Star Trek Picard.
Ooooh! A violent beheading! This isn't your father's Star Trek!
Is it me, or has everyone behind this show forgotten that the Romulans and the Federation were allies during the Dominion War?
If Elnor ends up being related to Sela, I am going to shit a brick.
'Memba Seven of Nine???????
Yeah, and we were allies with the Soviet Union during WW2. That made the last 80 years all sunshine and rainbows, right? We were fast friends and allies, locked arm in arm, going forward from 1941, right? No harm, no foul, right?
Earth's first interstellar war was fought against the Romulans. This was followed by a 213 year cold war, let me repeat, a 213 year cold war, that threatened to turn hot on more than a few occasions.
But, I digress. I really like both Discovery and Picard. I'm not really bothered that you and FF don't care for them. When I don't like a show, I don't watch it.
"You've earned a friend in the Romulan Empire today, Captain. I hope the first of many."
But....no....no. Romulans BAD!
Certainly helping out a long-term enemy couldn't bring about some semblance of peace.
Like, if the Klingons were in trouble because one of their moons exploded and they needed help doing cleanup and had to abandon the military buildup, clearly several Federation worlds would threaten to secede rather than help them.
So, if I don't like a show, I have to stop watching it? I can't watch it in the hopes that it gets better? Gosh, sure glad I didn't listen to your advice during TNG season 1 and 2 and DS9 seasons 1 - 3.
Did you forget the prejudice in Star Trek 6? Even after the first Khitomer Accords in 2293 it took 53 years before the Klingons started to really warm up to the Federation. It took almost a century before we'd approached a position with the Klingons where one, even one raised on Earth, was accepted to Starfleet Academy.
Corny 1980's movies aside, can you imagine the US letting a Soviet Navy Captain attend the Naval War College in the 1980's? The Soviet Union fell two decades ago and we still won't admit Russians to our Service Academies or Graduate Level Schools.
That's...generally what most "normal" people do.
No one said "have." If you choose to watch shows you don't like, so be it. Just realize those of us that do like a show will consider anything and everything you say about the show to be biased and untrustworthy.
I quit DS9 after the first season episode Come Along Home and only went back when a friend suggested that the show was past its early season jitters. I quit Voyager after The Cloud and I quit Enterprise after Shuttlepod One. I never returned to those shows so you don't see me griping and complaining about them all the time. Life is short. i don't have time to gripe about TV shows and movies I don't like. I just don't watch them.
Do you think that Starfleet and The Federation are the same entities?
Uh huh. Like you are one to judge what "normal" behavior is. Star Trek fans are far from "normal"
Look, I want this show to be good. I want to like it. I really do. But it's just freaking absurd on so many levels.
I can't wait until Q shows up at the end of the final episode of Season 1 so we can learn in Season 2 why he was so afraid of Guinan.
She said "I used to live with a guy who liked paper books. I bothered him too."
I watched the episode twice, there wasn't anything about her being born a male.
As I said, it was part of the 4Chan leaks which, so far, have been accurate. The reveal that Jurati was born male was non-specific and didn't mention what episode that was revealed in. Which is why I asked if Ep4 had been the episode.
Wait, how are Dahj or Soji Mary Sues at all? They are vastly underpowered compared to the model they're supposedly based on. Data showed more superpowers than either of them in any given 5 minutes on TNG.
Romulans bad? Not even remotely so in the show I'm watching.
It's like Sexbot is receiving the show after its been filtered through the brain of a paranoid schizophrenic.
Wait, so that super-leap Mary Sue made before that kewel 'splosion was less powerful than anything Data did? So Mary Sue's secret kung-fu powers were less super than Data's fighting technique?
Come on! Picard surviving that explosion without a scratch was more of a super power than anything Data ever did.
Uh....why, then, did 14 Federation worlds threaten to secede if they voted to help evacuate the Romulans?
Meanwhile, you're watching it with rose-colored glasses while drinking a tall glass of 'Membaberry Punch.
I thought with Dayton gone, the Trek threads were gonna be boring AF, but I'm glad to see Boy Jenee take up the mantle of class clown in his stead
For many fake ass geeks, just being women is enough
(Fun fandom fact: you have Trek fandom to thank for the term Mary Sue, so named after a ensign in a 1970s Trek fanfic named Mary Sue who was overpowered and super smart and made season 1 Wesley look as nuanced as Nog in comparison. I've stopped using the term because people have entirely watered down it's meaning to "Every lady character I hate, no matter how stupid the reason")
Yes, considerably so. Data won fights. Dahj died in the fight you're citing.
With 24th century medtech? Nah. He survived freaking assimilation and got better in days.
Because they think Romulans are bad, and the show makes it utterly clear they are wrong.
There's nothing wrong with Puerto Ricans, but I suspect a few states might threaten to leave if America considered evacuating every single Puerto Rican into the continental 48 states.
Data is an android. The Mary Sue Twins are humans with positronic brains that are not fully active. Trust me, Mary Sue is going to go full on Captain Marvel by the end of the season.
Doesn't matter. He's fucking 90. The fact that you see nothing wrong with that scene just proves that you're juiced on Membaberry Juice.
You proved my point. Thank you.
Your sneering hostility has won me over!
I now hate all new Star Trek, like South Park again, and want to vote Trump in the next election!
Ope, nope, it wore off.
You have to start all over.
I hope that the opening crawl for the next Star Wars movie looks like this, then.
Wow, okay, while it is fun to spot things like this, that's hardly a reason to hang a reason for disliking a show on it. First of all, it's kind of arrogant to assume that a landmark from the 20th Century will still be around some 300+ years later. Sure, it might be iconic, but that doesn't mean it will survive that long. After all, if you released a movie in 1999 that was set in NYC in 2004 and people noticed that the WTC was missing from the skyline, they'd have thought you were crazy. But as we all know, the WTC wasn't around in '04.
Next, the Golden Gate bridge plays no part in the series. It's just a backdrop in order for people to know the location where events are happening. There's never been (to my knowledge) in any Trek movie or series a scene which takes place on the bridge and has aspects of it as being a key element. So the fact that the bridge differs from one series to another doesn't really matter.
Let me point out a bigger gaffe in a non-Trek film, involving something that actually is pretty key to the film (as well as others) that were I to hold this film to the same level you seem to be holding Picard to, would absolutely ruin everything.
Remember this scene from the first Iron Man movie?
The metal he's casting to make the ring? Palladium. It melts at around 2800 F. I've poured metal that hot before. There's literally no way you'd be able to grab a crucible of it with metal tongs using your bare hands. The shit is just too fucking hot to get that close to. You'd also want a leather apron on you to help ward off the heat. I have a small aluminum foundry that I can get to around that hot. One day, I thought I'd do a quick pour of some metal. I fired it up, and made the mistake of not changing out of my shorts into pants. I'm lucky, in that I've done hundreds of pours before, so I have very good control of my reflexes and know exactly what to do if things start to get uncomfortable. Somebody who's never done that before won't, and if they discover that the thing is really fucking hot, will, at the very least, flinch. That guy should have had 2nd-degree burns, if not 3rd, on the palms of his hands before he ever got the crucible over to the mold. Speaking as someone who did get a third-degree burn while pouring metal, you can't do things like fine motor control necessary for pouring the metal into a mold. All you can think about is setting the hot fucking thing down. Were the film at all realistic and he grabbed the crucible like he did, he should have screamed like a little girl and flung it away from him, spraying molten metal everywhere and causing havoc.
But it doesn't bother me. Why? Because, unlike, for example, the sequence in Peter Jackson's King Kong movie, where they make a big deal about not letting a character use a gun, because he's never fired one before, and then having that same character a few scenes later, using a fucking tommy gun to shoot giant grasshoppers off of people, it's not really relevant to the movie as a whole. It changes nothing about the backstory of the character, it plays no part in the later film, and is a rather esoteric subject, so it's understandable that the people involved in the movie wouldn't think about it.
As for the videos you've posted, you always do something like this, it seems, "This guy doesn't like it!" Without providing information as to who that guy is, why he doesn't like it, what his qualifications might be, and why you agree with him. Any random wanker with a video camera and an internet connection can have a YouTube channel, and if they routinely say things like, "Shitty titty fuck!" can expect to have a large number of followers. And ultimately, whether or not someone likes something is entirely subjective. Arguing with them that they're wrong, and telling them that they're stupid for liking it isn't going to change their mind. Matter of fact, it's probably going to make them like it more. So why waste your time? You don't like Picard, fine, that's your choice. We can even both agree that if each episode consisted of nothing more than watching Picard trying to take a dump on the toilet for 90 minutes, there would be posters here who'd happily fap to it and say that it was "THE GREATEST TREK EVAR!" I'm not going to argue with them over that, I'm just going to pat them on the head and move on to something I do like. Because I'm not really interested in getting into pointless arguments on the interwebs with some random idiot all the time. And really, it makes no difference to me if someone I'm not fucking happens to like some form of entertainment that I don't really like.
A lot to unpack there. I agreed that it’s a minor thing to nitpick. The guy I post videos of is named nitpicking nerd, he literally nitpicks. I enjoy his nitpicks. He also points out things like the look of Paris. I’ll post the video because it’s easier than describing it.
it’s kind of inconsistent. Another one is Romulan disrupters don’t have a stun setting. Ro got hit with a Romulan disruptor and wasn’t disintegrated. If you’re going make statements like that or have visual representations of iconic places that have been shown before, perhaps you should do your homework. A lot of these things are a blink and you miss it, but they add up. Does it ruin the show, no, but it strikes me as lazy. If this is Picard’s swan song, I expect it to be better than this. Four episodes in and not much has happened. All of this could have been done in two episodes. I mean DS9 was able to fit a lot of story into four episodes and conclude that story arc. One last thing. I highly recommend checking out Marc Zicri’s channel on YouTube. He actually worked on DS9. He wrote, “Far Beyond the Stars.” He has no specific agenda and is very generous with his criticisms of movies and tv. He’s also a life long Trek fan. He gives reasonable criticism of the show. In a nutshell, he makes the argument that the story doesn’t really advance the plot, whatever that may be. He also argues that it introduces too many characters. He used the same argument with Rise of Skywalker. Keep in mind, this is pretty much the same writing team. You and I have both agreed JJ is not a good story teller. It baffles me that when I point some of these things out, you rate my posts with a face palm. It just seems to me that Kurtzman is mor concerned with building a franchise rather than building a good story.
Where did you get that idea? They're clearly not.
Why doesn't medical technology matter when surviving trauma? Especially when one of that technology's main feats as established for decades is that 90 is no longer considered old?
I have *no* idea what you are talking about.
Back when I was your age, we had something called Phil Farrand's Nitpickers' Guides. He'd collect nitpicks for each and every episode. It was all good fun, I enjoyed them immensely. But no-one dreamed of criticizing the show as being bad because it had lots of small plot holes. ALL stories do.
As for the disruptor: That disruptors don't have a stun setting is a long, long established fact. That Ro survived that blast was in Farrand's list of nitpicks. I think even that can be explained -- guns don't have stun settings either, and yet you can survive being shot --, but that mistake isn't with STP.
I still have my original TNG copy on a shelf in the bathroom for use when I forget my phone.
Watch the episode again, cupcake. While not "human" in the sense that they were created through a natural process, it's clearly stated and shown that they are flesh and blood.
The fact that you see absolutely nothing wrong with a 90 year old man being thrown back from a huge explosion and appearing uninjured without explaination just shows me that you'll hand wave anything in order to make yourself like this show. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. You can admit that the show has flaws and still like it. I'd have more respect for you if you could admit even a few small flaws, but you seem unable to do that. Membaberry Punch is a powerful concoction.
Clearly. I'd explain it to you, using smaller words and less advanced ideas, but you're too hopped up on Membaberry Punch to even consider my point of view.
So, IMO the show continues to build in a reasonably entertaining way to...something. What the payoff is for all of this will be important.
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