Texas GOP adopts platform supporting gay - conversion therapy

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    Everyone knows that "men', "mankind" et cetera have for thousands of years been used simply as synonyms for "humans".

    As for slavery, the New Testament did not seek to overthrow existing social institutions (despite claims to the contrary) that were common at that time in the Roman Empire.

    Instead it basically urges everyone to be "nicer" to everyone within those institutions and "overcome evil with kindness". Including basically urging men to love their wives as themselves and slaves to be good to their masters and vice versa.
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    Obviously glaringly untrue.

    Such as polytheism?
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  3. tafkats

    tafkats That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, bingo! Moderator

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    So if the Bible says men shouldn't lie with men, it really means no one should have sex, ever?
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  4. Dayton Kitchens

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    You know all this word play most of you are doing is pointless. You clearly know what I mean and clearly know what the Bible was written as meaning.

    If you do not believe that sexual choices should be restricted based on what is written in the Bible just say so.

    But don't pretend that you have any interest in serious analysis of it and that your opinion would be changed by something like "does mankind refer to men and women".
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  5. K.

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    Not lying down, at least. Pole dancing and shibari should be ok, but double beds are off, and it's no excuse if you're just sleeping! God sees all (bedrooms).
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  6. ed629

    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    Homosexuality was accepted in many societies at the time, Roman and Greek art for example depicted homosexuality and it was considered normal at the time. So therefore when the bible says love your fellow man it was saying that homosexuality was fine.

    If we can't use "word play" then neither can you. As usual you are again saying that we can't do what you do. My interpretation of the bible doesn't say homosexuality is wrong, what it does say is that narrow minded people like you are wrong.

    Why is it that the interpretation others have to you becomes pretending and that only what you say it the correct interpretation?
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  7. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You said, and I quote:

    Therefore "men should not lie with men" would mean exactly what tafkats said: No one should have sex, ever.

    Trapped in your own web, you are.
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  8. Dayton Kitchens

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    ^No, "men should not lie with men" can be properly read as

    "people shall not have sex with people of the same sex".

    Case closed.
  9. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Not to the guy who posted this:

    :bailey:
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  10. Dayton Kitchens

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    You are playing games with words Garamet.

    And given you do not even believe in what the Bible says, your argument cannot be taken seriously.

    I'm under no obligation to have my religion used against me.
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    People should not lie with people.

    Therefore people should have sex with animals.

    Case closed.
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  12. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    I have not altered your words. So which is it? "Men" = "humans" therefore no one should have sex ever? Or "Men" = "men (as opposed to women" and men should not have sex with other men, but since the Bible says nothing about women, that's okay?

    Commit to one or the other or step off, because you're not very good at this.
  13. Dayton Kitchens

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    "men should not have sex with other men" also automatically infer that "women should not have sex with other women".

    Thus when you use "men" or "mankind" you are addressing both sexes and implying the same moral standards for both.
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    tafkats That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, bingo! Moderator

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    So it sort of means mankind and it sort of doesn't?
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    Manikin should not have sex with mankind?
  16. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Okay, so we're back to the Gospel According to Dayton: "No one should have sex, ever."

    Just so we're clear.
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    Why do I hear Matthew Harrison Brady's voice whenever I read Dayton's posts in this thread? :lol:
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  18. ed629

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    The wording is "man shall not lie with man as he does with woman", since men do not have the female naughty bits then men cannot have naughty bit sex with women. And since the loophole used by Christians is doing it in the pooper, the bible does not have anything against doing in the butt. So what we have is the bible is saying you can't have sex with man if he has a cooter, since men do not have cooters then it's impossible for a man to lie with a man as he does with a woman. So the bible is ok with the butt and the mouth. So two guys going at it in the butt isn't against the bible.

    Case closed.

    The bible doesn't say anything about woman and woman, you are making assumptions that do not exist. If anything, you are playing word games. And you are the one that keeps changing how someone should interpret mankind.

    Yet you use it against other Christians, is that what a real Christian would do? How is it that is allowable, but when done to you, you say it's wrong? Again, you are playing word games. And losing pretty badly.
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    Nobody here is qualified to argue the semantics of the original Greek in which the New Testament was authored.
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    Packard and Async likely could. Dayton? Not so much.
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  21. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    The ghost of Frederic March is gonna get you for that! :lol:
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  22. K.

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    Um.

    But the passage you're discussing isn't even in the NT.
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    Well, there's the small issue that humans are animals, so it looks like we can't even bone them. Couches, blow up dolls, and other inanimate objects are A-OK! :techman:
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    What it does have an obligation to do is leave it alone. This goes for the religious kooks as well as the secular-but-might-as-well-be-religious kooks: Mind your own fuckin' business.
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  25. Nova

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    sounds like evasion of the point.
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  26. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Here's a tip for you Dayton.

    In this debate, stick to your bible and not to real world evidence.

    Most of the opposition from these groups comes from the fact that they psychologically screw people up.

    You want to start bringing in anecdotal evidence of supposed cases where it has worked? Great, then the other side gets to bring in all the examples of where it has broken people psychologically. And at that point you instantly lose.

    Conversion therapy is like suggesting chemotherapy for hair removal. Sure, you could probably find some examples of someone who went through chemotherapy and was lucky enough to not get many adverse effects, but it doesn't make the entire concept not bat shit crazy at best and outright evil at worst.
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  27. Shirogayne

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    And at any rate, in all these cases, the spouses knew their partners' past and decided it didn't matter. As long as both parties are aware and open with each other, I don't give a fuck. :shrug:
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  28. John Castle

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    Exactly. What's there to give a fuck about? Seriously, Dayton, what's the problem? So some fellas like to stick their cocks in other fellas' assholes. Are you upset that somebody might stick his dick in your asshole, you asshole? Or are you upset that somebody wouldn't?

    Point being, unless you're a part of it, you ain't no part of it.
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  29. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    But it hurts society and therefore Dayton because [citation needed].
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    Dayton hurts society much more.
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