The 2020 Presidential General Election thread

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Order2Chaos, Jun 17, 2020.

  1. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Insert obligatory "not all" here.
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  2. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 high speed, low drag

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    who doesn't troll or display outrage (to some degree) in the red room? Is it justified in all their cases?
  3. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    I, for one, am not above an occasional snark which might be interpreted as trolling, but if I express outrage I am most sincere about that.
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  4. Useful Idiot

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    Some people just cannot conceive of other worldviews beyond their own. If they only care about themselves and their immediate family, everyone must be the same. And with American conservatives having been told for decades that activism on behalf of others is a sign of weakness, well...
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  5. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 high speed, low drag

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    About the same amount of evidence that conservatives don't give a shit about other people. That said the microsecond I did present evidence I would have several liberals trying to shoot down my facts and/or sources because they would refuse to believe that a conservative can indeed indeed "give a shit about other people" in a tangible quantifiable way. In other words most liberals will not tolerate anybody weakening their narrative. That's the way I see it, other conservatives may have a different viewpoint. Regardless when you are significantly outnumbered you will not win, so there's no point in my even attempting to defend my view in this regard. Suffice it to say I am moving on to other threads rather than waste my time and yours. It's Christmas, not a birthday party, so I see no need to be your pinata.
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  6. Useful Idiot

    Useful Idiot Fresh Meat

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    Geez, you don't have to be a little bitch about it.
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  7. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    "About the same amount of evidence that conservatives don't give a shit about other people."

    My dude, I have a literal lifetime of evidence about that, both personally and in the obvious public record. There is simply no accouting for the whole body of movement conservative positions apart from that factor - it's the only theory that accounts for all the evidence.

    Again, obligatory "not all" BUT I would say it's virtually all of the ones with the power to make decisions or move public opinion - and when your average Joe voter choose to vote in support of those choices they surrender the right to say "but not all of us!"

    When, for example, the Trump administration works 24/7 to roll back already existing environmental regulations that are proven to improve the health and well being of citizens, often especially children, for the sole reason that an already especially profitable company can make a few more marginal dollars, the ONLY hypothesis that accounts for that is that the decision makers in government, public image people, and the companies themselves is that the "little guy" simply DOES NOT MATTER except as a consumer, only profit matters.

    You could write all the examples down and an old fashioned encyclopedia set would not contain them all.

    I spent most of my life walking among them, now I look upon them from the outside - I can see it clearly in both experiences.

    A tiny example: Today, on CHRISTMAS FUCKING DAY, my brother-in-law saw not reason to not share a Facebook meme that said no Christian could ever condone homosexuality or transgenders because God clearly stated this would send you to hell. Knowing his sister is married to one. Knowing his late nephew was gay and, if that were right, is in hell.

    I'm not blind enough to think that the church is not full of such people (and they, themselves, constitute a massive example in support of my claim) but TODAY you're gonna make the free will choice to poke a stick in the eye of family members that you are supposedly on good terms with?

    Why?

    Because the self-righteous holier-than-thou self satisfaction is more important than any "care" you might feel for your "loved ones"

    Every year at this time, literally tens of thousand of gay and trans people cannot, or dare not, go home for the holidays because they have been told directly "don't come back until you repent"
    By "good Christian people" - the ones most of all who'd like you to think they are very caring people.
    Same folks who'll enthusiastically vote for politicians who will strip legal equality from complete strangers AND their own "loved ones" and let the chips fall where they may.
    Same folks who will build their whole political identity around preventing an abortion and can't be bothered to even take notice of all the families who cannot feed or house or get health care for their kids AFTER they were born, mostly through no fault of their own, because "OMG SOCIALISM!!!"

    Give me a god damned break. You know as well as I do who y'all are, denying it convinces exactly no one.
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  8. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Trolling and outrage are not at all the same thing. Get back to us when you figure out the difference.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    So which people do they care for? The poor people who you voted to not have health care, the LGBTQ people you voted to lose rights or the victims of war criminals who you voted to be pardoned?
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  12. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    He'll come back with his usual Whataboutism. But I think if enough of us keep cutting and pasting this reply every time he does, we won't change his mind, but at least he'll go find a message board where people of his ilk will applaud him with "Fuck, yeah!"
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  13. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 high speed, low drag

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    just explaining my position.
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    We know your position.

    Hands on ankles, beckoning the GOP to approach.
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  15. steve2^4

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    On Tuesday, the Georgia secretary of state’s office announced the results of a signature audit conducted of mail-in ballots from the election cast in Cobb County.

    Working with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the secretary of state’s office said it reviewed signatures on 15,118 ballot envelopes, finding none were fraudulent and that all but two included signatures that matched that of the voter on file — demonstrating that election officials who examined the signatures before the vote had a 99.99 percent accuracy rate.


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    Law enforcement and election investigators didn’t find a single fraudulent absentee ballot during an audit of over 15,000 voter signatures, according to a report by the Georgia secretary of state’s office released Tuesday.


    The audit contradicted allegations that absentee ballots were rife with fraud after President Donald Trump said the election had been stolen, said Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Trump lost to Joe Biden by about 12,000 votes in Georgia.


    There were 10 absentee ballots that had been accepted but voter signatures didn’t match or signatures were missing, according to the report. But agents from the GBI and investigators with the secretary of state’s office contacted those voters and confirmed they had submitted those ballots.


    In one case, a voter’s wife signed her husband’s ballot envelope. Another voter signed the front of the envelope instead of the back. Eight voters had mismatched signatures, but the voters told investigators the signatures were legitimate.

    Raffensperger, a Republican said the audit results confirmed the election outcome again after two recounts— both by hand and machine — of all 5 million ballots cast in Georgia’s presidential election.

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  16. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Lies! Fraud! Deep State! Illuminati! DETROIT!!!
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  17. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    Very deep.
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  18. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    Contrast and compare OF. If you have it in you (source):

    The official Electoral College vote tally just concluded, but some Democratic House members decided to put on a bit of a show.

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    POLITICS
    Donald Trump Secures Electoral College Win, With Few Surprises

    More than half a dozen members rose at different points to object to the results of the election, citing Russian hacking, the legitimacy of the election and electors, voting machines, voter suppression and more.

    As official as it will ever be:

    Trump: 304
    Clinton: 227
    Powell: 3
    Kasich: 1
    Paul: 1
    Sanders: 1
    Spotted Eagle: 1

    2016 election: over

    — Scott Detrow (@scottdetrow) January 6, 2017
    Democratic Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts was the first to rise. Amid grumbling from other members, Vice President Biden, who presided in his role as president of the Senate, gaveled the body to order. He noted that any objection must be in writing, signed by a member of the House and a member of the Senate.

    He asked McGovern if he had fulfilled all three. McGovern admitted the objection was not signed by a member of the Senate, and Biden threw it out.

    "In that case the objection cannot be entertained," Biden said, and Republicans stood and cheered.

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    POLITICS
    Bernie Sanders Says Trump Won Because Democrats Are Out Of Touch

    Jamie Raskin of Maryland interrupted later. Biden cut him off, read the requirements again and asked if his objection was signed by a member of the Senate. Raskin, too, admitted it was not. This went on with others.

    Biden grew increasingly curt. At times, Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan could be seen laughing behind him.

    "It is over," Biden chided.

    A standing Republican ovation for Joe Biden as he gavels down an electoral vote challenge saying, "it is over"

    — Scott Detrow (@scottdetrow) January 6, 2017
    Three protesters were escorted out of the House chamber. NPR's Susan Davis reports that at least one was arrested.

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    COMMENTARY
    On Intelligence And Russian Hacking, Are Trump And His Team Missing The Point?

    NPR's Ron Elving notes that it all was a similar scene to one that played out in January 2001 after George W. Bush's election, the Florida recount and the Supreme Court decision that stopped it. The vice president, who had to play Biden's role then, was none other than Al Gore himself. The objectors were all from the House, many from Florida.

    After overruling several objectors the same way Biden did, Gore jokingly noted that it was becoming somewhat painful.

    "This is going to sound familiar to you," he noted, "--to all of us...."​
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    They conquered Betazed, and that had Majel Barrett defending it!
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  21. Ten Lubak

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    Why would anyone want to do that, it would make you look like a crazy person

    Where is @TheLonelySquire anyways? Hiding from the FBI since Jan 6th?
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  22. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Funny how the list that includes Paladin and Marso and Tuttle and Zombie and oldfella doesn't even include him or Scott Hamilton..., the other "religious" Righty. They're that insignificant.
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    He hasn't posted since 4 November, which was the last day he was logged on to the board.
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  24. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Hmm, did anything significant happen around that time that he might be avoiding his predictions about?
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  25. MikeH92467

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    By G-d, THAT's what I call a retraction! :eek2:
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  26. steve2^4

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    I know this is longer than a tweet, but I'll try to summarize it as a twit so those of you with short attention spans can follow it:

    Trump's back room maneuvering the day he called GA is chilling but laughable. This article from the NYTimes is about his attempt to subvert the justice dept that day, and why the GA US Attorney resigned:

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    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

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  30. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    At a guess, he's wondering what your stance is now? Is it The End of the World as We Know It? or the Orange Turd us powerless, let's focus on what we can do going forward?
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