The Family

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  1. The Night Funky

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    It's Area 51 and if you want to do the digging there are lots of sites which will back up what he says. They may not have all the specific details, but let's face it, if you're living in the same place as someone, you can't claim you didn't have at least some idea of the things they talked about.
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    I will have to put it on the list to watch.
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    To get this back on topic some more, I watched the first episode. I will be watching more. This is not necessarily new news. This building and group has been around for a while from the stories I have heard. I think these are the people who forced the choice of Sarah Palin on John McCain as his running mate back in the day.

    This is just textbook cult behavior. We see a number of these instances in american christianity. This is the playbook that LRH used to create scientology. You begin by helping yourself and finding a group that accepts you and you build trust. You go through ritual and indoctrination, and you are the chosen or enlightened above others. The people protect each other and actually help each other out at the beginning points. These people see something in you and encourage you, and it is only natural that you would feel good about it and work hard especially if you are doing common work and you are at the same time humbled. This is like knighting and rank. You are paying your dues because you see good in the people around you.

    This is very enticing to people. You give them meaning, importance, and an inflated sense of self worth. That tends to be backed up by the very real good feelings you get from doing a hard days work, helping people out, and doing important good things. You are setting up systems of honor and elitism.

    These are also the ways we build teams and work together towards real positive goals. This is human psychology and sociology. We naturally set these sorts of things up in our own lives with our fandoms, patriotism, and cultural celebrations. They might not be as consciously reinforced, but they are there. It can be used for bad purposes.
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    Spaceturkey you can't spell hatred without "red hat"

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    fixed
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  5. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey you can't spell hatred without "red hat"

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    Dayton says dumb.

    Thus cementing my statement as fact.
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    oldfella1962 light & lethal

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    wow. No matter how you interpret that sentence it doesn't make even a little bit of sense.
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    oldfella1962 light & lethal

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    whoa Tererun….first episode? I didn't know it was a series, I thought it was a one-and-done documentary. I'll pass if this is the case.
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    it's too late for me to get into it tonight but the depth and breadth of this problem - going well beyond these guys - is staggering and dangerous beyond description.

    Evangelical Dominionists are basically a Fifth Column and have been for close to half a century.

    Some recommendations:

    Kevin Kruse's book "In God We Trust" which describes how anti-NewDeal" corporate giants basically created the "Religious Right" as a political tool in the 50's

    There's a good article about how the rise of the "Moral Majority" in the 70's was a cynical political ploy to weaponize the disaffected of Southern (religious) segregationists who'd lost every battle against desegregation and lock them into the GOP
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133_Page2.html

    as a corollary, this from a former Republican conservative is also spot on
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisl...RJiwJuXpX3aVefXf13FjnR5O74o-rZvc#2803732695fc

    this is more focused on Dominioism - from 15 years ago but clearly not undermined by intervening events
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2005/12/nation-under-god/3/

    And their political Machine (the bit that fronts as an actual public policy outfit, rather than working the back hallways like the Family)
    is called the Council for National Policy. I can't find the in depth article I read but as a placeholder, I'll link this
    https://extranewsfeed.com/americas-...ellyanne-bannon-the-devos-family-7465f1754ca4
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  9. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    it's completely legit. The guy who reported it out actually (innocently) became part of the group for a while and he's writing from what he saw on the inside.
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    He does seem to have a fairly even handed way of presenting his ideas in the opening. The appeal of the group from the perspective of living in the house seems more encouraging and exploratory than sinister.
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    Just wait.
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    It is taking me some time because I started watching she-ra on netflix. It is just strangely addicting. It is sort of like cocaine. You don't know why you are doing it, it is not very good, and you feel ashamed, but for some reason you just have to keep on watching. Not much unlike WF.
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    One of the executive producers on this is the same guy who did the "Going Clear" documentary about Scientology.
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    Nightmonkey plays to much fallout 3.
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    As opposed to teh baba who clearly played so much ET on the atari it warped his brain and took over his ganglionic processing.
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    Actually, there is a lot there. There are five episodes. It is very detailed in what it presents, and it has been presenting people who have a positive view of this. There is a lot to explain with the interactions and methods they have. A large part of the second episode was about how they handled The whole Sanford incident when he went missing and came back and admitted to having an affair. It goes into detail about how that effected another Nevada congressman who was also having an affair.

    It is very historical over being more drama oriented. You might want to reconsider this being you seem interested in decent history explanations. This explains what was happening with a place called C street where congressmen were living with low rent, and why it came about. It is very deep and detailed. It even seems to be allowing the viewer to hear a reason for for what was going on.

    It says that there was bipartisan living arrangements where congressmen from both sides lived together and were sharing space and discussion. At this point, I am almost torn on the idea that what was being done was so necessarily wrong. I will wait and see, but it does seem like the way a logical person would approach leadership if they wanted to effect moral values and influence. When we create laws and social contracts we use the stories and ideas that are common to our community to make arguments based on our rationalization. So far it seems like jesus is being presented as a philosophy for the establishment of ethics and morals.

    I will wait to see what comes of it, but I am not opposed to christians using scripture to come to ideas and argue them in the public square where they can be confronted. Just because a person comes to a decent and good idea through religion, and specifically christianity, does not make the idea bad.
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    Oldfella can’t be bothered with five episodes. That’s four episodes too many. You have to wait until the end until you get to the fucked upness of the whole thing.
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    Groovy, now I know this thing does not end well. NWO and all of that.
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    I watched this this afternoon.

    It's okay, but only confirmed suspicions that I've always had.

    I really didn't like the reenactment bits. Documentaries that use them extensively lose much of their punch, IMHO. Especially when there's "acting" involved.
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  20. Tererun

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    I finally saw to the end of this. I am still somewhat processing the terror of knowledge I now have.

    I watched the passion of the christ and wondered how could any person be so cruel like that to someone. After seeing this movie I would kill jesus in horrible and painful ways for bringing this filth into our society.

    Everything is for jesus. You can forgive anyone of any atrocity as long as they accept jesus. We could find a person actually making a human centipede out of children and jesus wipes it all away.

    I thought Sarah Palin worked her way up into the spotlight. I did not realize the family takes idiots and promotes them as long as they say they love jesus. They are saying here is a loud obnoxious person butting in and running people over, that must be god's best dude.

    I was actually sort of comforted by the thought that money and the system would keep itself from blowing up. I thought the people in power would make it so the crazy person could not blow us all up on a whim. Now I see them really trying to bring about the apocalypse the way the bible tells it.

    How can you say you have this great system for creating leaders when you churn out truly nasty, dumb, horrible people time after time? Trump is just the cherry on top of the cupcake. Is there worse out there that these people can put into power?

    @Tracker you have to go see these people. They will make you the king of the world.
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    The re-enactments could have been cut out and the story would have been much better. Like I said in the OP, the story could have been shorter, it's the artsy fartsy bits that aren't needed.
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    I don’t like them because they’re literally staged. It blurs the line too much between documentary and production, IMHO.
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    I don't know if you saw Wild Wild Country, it was a really compelling documentary that didn't rely on re-enactments. That's what this could have been.
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    I will agree, those took away from what they were doing and were not needed given the tone and quality of what was being presented. A few of them might have been ok if they were presented without sound and narrated over. Like the recurring theme of him getting up after they piled on him as his hazing event. I get what they were trying to represent there, but that brings you into this idea that this is all staged and it is a performance. Some of that could have been trimmed for time.

    They did drag out the production, and it was a long documentary which could have been presented in maybe two hours if they trimmed the fat. In cases like this perhaps there should be an edited for time version that removes a lot of the artistry for a more direct documented work. We are at a point where you could make such an edit available without too much tweeking and for people who wanted more information and to take more time with it they get the expanded version.

    I have interest in watching some director's cuts of movies, but sometimes things are left out because they drag and are boring to a certain percentage of the audience.
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    I watched the first episode last night. Creepy stuff but not all that surprising. They seemed to be making it out to be much more conspiratorial than they had grounds for.
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    The thing I got from watching it was that there is a huge conspiracy, but it is not really defined in an ideology aside from say jesus every so often. They will help you with their power as long as when you are in power you let them exist and have access to your powerful people.

    They could go into north korea and be totally fine with little kim as long as he let jesus and the bible be mentioned. They would be good with his merciless killings, his torturing people, his abuses of his people, his nuclear threats, and everything else he does. Just have a prayer breakfast and say you do everything for jesus and that is it.

    Oh my, little kim rapes and eats a baby a day? Jesus made him do it because jesus. It is ok because he is in power and if god wanted him out of power he would remove him from power. Since he is not doing any of that, praise jesus for little kim and his baby rape breakfast of fetus.

    The disgusting part is that they are enablers for the twisted perverted fettishes of powerful people. All so that they can say jesus behind the leadership.
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    Agreed.

    Staged "illustrating" video is fine, to a point, but adding dialogue is where they lose me and it reduces the impact and authenticity of what they're trying to show.
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