The Impeachment of President Donald J. Trump

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  1. Order2Chaos

    Order2Chaos Ultimate... Immortal Administrator

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  2. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    How many of the perps and/or their superiors were Latinos? :bailey:
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  3. Tererun

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    Latinos would have found a way to put a hole in the building without it falling over. Sure, it would have been held together with duct tape, bent nails, scrap wood, and would never have passed code, but the buildings would still be standing and falling apart slowly. There would be some ropes or some rickety after the fact stairs to reach the top floor, and the building would leak, but it would be there. The planes would also probably be put back together also.
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    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    acknowledged that should have read "came here" not "were here"
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    Fisherman's Worf Hamachi is a fish best served cold

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    For what it's worth, the strict immigration policies started before 9/11. Certainly, post-9/11 they ramped up because the xenophobes now had a justification that most people wouldn't question.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again-- the first hundred or so years of US history were marked by basically free borders, and we saw an unprecedented shift in that century from a fledgling, agrarian nation, to an industrial global empire.
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  7. Quest

    Quest Liberty and Justice Staff Member Administrator

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  9. Tererun

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    How is the right not screaming about the communist threat and getting their guns to stop the communist take over of america? This is the infiltration of our system by the russians. This is the cold war victory they wanted. This is using corruption to put a russian puppet into office.

    WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK!

    It is right there in front of these people's faces and it is like" They Live" technology has come to life and they are doing nothing about it. John carpenter was right and we did not need any fancy technology to do it. We just needed Faux News.

    I cannot support the advancement of this species. I really can't. I hope the comet comes and wipes all of this shit out.
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    I cannot support the advancement of this species. I really can't. I hope the comet comes and wipes all of this shit out. - Tererun

    Mission accomplished on your end when it comes to not advancing the species - don't you hate your penis/birth gender? If that catches on we won't even need the comet! :yes:
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  11. Tererun

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    That is not something that is going to catch on and be for everyone. That is stupid and wrong.
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    oldfella1962 light & lethal

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    hating your penis/birth gender is wrong or my comment?
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    I read that as "hating your penis girth".

    Which, in fairness, is true for many of us.
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  14. Tererun

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    I am not buying the stupid act given you have shown me way too much behind the curtain. I am not your fucked up mom or someone who is hot on you so the stupid game is not cute, endearing, or going to get you anywhere but under my foot.
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    Can somebody...anybody....translate what Tererunt just said into English? Is it actually possible for her to just answer a question? All I want to know is what this means, referring to my comment about her hating her penis and hating being born a male - something Tererun has talked about more than once.

    "That is not something that is going to catch on and be for everyone. That is stupid and wrong." :huh: What is stupid and wrong? Throw me a bone here! (no pun intended)
    Is hating your penis stupid and wrong or is joking about hating your penis stupid and wrong?
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    Why not quit obssessing over someone you should have on ignore and address the issues raised in the thread? :madcookie:
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  18. Quest

    Quest Liberty and Justice Staff Member Administrator

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  19. oldfella1962

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    okay, back on track: the impeachment will fail. Can't elaborate now, gotta go to bed I'm getting up at 05:00 tomorrow for a lengthy cardio workout. Night night!
  20. MikeH92467

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    Yeah, it'll probably fail, in the sense that the Republicans and the willfully ignorant like yourself will dismiss all the evidence out of hand. Ah yes, it will be a famous victory.
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  21. Nova

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/03/an-intelligence-committee-report-with-pizzazz/

    The report also makes clear that Trump’s scheme “was undertaken with the knowledge and approval of senior Administration officials, including the President’s Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Secretary of Energy Rick Perry.” The report reminds us, “In fact, at a press conference weeks after public revelations about the scheme, Mr. Mulvaney publicly acknowledged that the President directly tied the hold on military aid to his desire to get Ukraine to conduct a political investigation, telling Americans to ‘get over it.’”

    Aside from the near-airtight factual case against Trump for having engaged in what amounts to bribery and extortion for political gain, the report makes crystal clear the necessity of obtaining testimony from other witnesses. “The call records the committee obtained make clear there is a treasure trove of evidence lying just beyond their grasp,” says former Justice Department spokesman Matt Miller. “Had the White House not obstructed this investigation, they could have obtained testimony about what these people discussed and almost certainly produced even more damning evidence than they already have.” Miller adds, “It also seems to show that Nunes was in the middle of this plot from the beginning, which might explain why he was so mad throughout the hearings.”

    For starters, Nunes needs to appear and provide testimony under oath. None of his calls or actions implicate any privilege; he is not immune from subpoenas as a fact witness. Moreover, given the direct communication with the OMB, its senior political appointees must appear and answer questions about their contacts with Giuliani.

    Moreover, in view of the conclusion that senior officials knew of the scheme, their testimony becomes all the more vital. As luck would have it, a federal district court just denied a stay on the order former White House counsel Donald McGahn must testify and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit just affirmed a lower-court ruling that Deutsche Bank and Capital One must turn over financial records to the House. Both obliterate Trump’s claims of “absolute immunity." The report underscores that it is worth a brief pause to pursue witnesses hiding behind bogus immunity claims. The courts now seem to be moving with speed, providing some chance that vital witnesses could be corralled.

    “There’s a real difference in hearing the story witness by witness and seeing it all laid out on a timeline,” observes former prosecutor Joyce White Vance. “It’s like watching the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. As Schiff says, the country now has to decide whether what happened is impeachable or whether the country has to ‘get over it’ as Trump’s chief of staff said, and let presidents use the power of their office to cheat in elections.”
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  22. spot261

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    Well that doesn't pull punches does it?

    I've not had time to read the whole thing but one thing that stood out to me was this:

    which seems consistent with my pet theory that a great deal of the evidence presented has a "Rorshach" quality to it in that how it is interpreted is very much open to the political leanings of the listener. The facts aren't in much dispute, their meaning is.

    Still not thinking that he will be removed from office, frankly not sure any case would be strong enough to persuade Republicans in the Senate, but it does highlight some fundamental tensions in the checks and balances surrounding the office of POTUS that will be debated for years to come
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  23. spot261

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    Probably, in the sense that most attempts to prosecute the Mafia go nowhere.
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    so Trump is being impeached by only Republicans, who will dismiss all evidence? :chris: Correct me if I'm wrong but the Democrats will be very much engaged in this impeachment process/trial/investigation or whatever it's labeled. :yes:
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    Correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't the next stage in the Senate?
  26. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    He obviously meant "dismiss" as to mean ignore and/or purposely misconstrue said evidence. Not "dismiss" as the legal term...but you knew that already.
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    You are partially incorrect. Attempts to prosecute individual Mafia members (here in the US at least) are quite often very successful!
    Now in Sicilia and to a lesser extent southern Italy proper, not so much! Testifying against the Mafia there is pretty much a death sentence because the systemic corruption is exponentially greater, meaning it's not "if" but "when" you get :bergman: for crossing them. They have money & connections running in every single nook & cranny of the justice/legal/incarceration system.
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    As does Trump in the corridors of power. He may not be well respected even amongst his own party but he sure as hell has leverage.

    By the way, with regard to the Mafia are you including cases which the DA don't accept?
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    In the US usually the cops/law enforcement won't even go to the DA unless they already have what they think is a slam-dunk conviction. Thus generally the DA will accept most cases because the cops already have shitloads of actual evidence & witnesses in hand. This evidence gathering often takes YEARS so you don't see lone Mafia members nailed on a regular basis. But every few years there will be a major bust when dozens of them at a time get tried & convicted.
    Granted I'm talking about actual US Mafia, not other criminal organizations generically referred to as "mafia".
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    That's what I was wondering, just one step up the ladder. Presumably there are many times the cops don't go to the DA because they know there'll be no chance of a conviction and witnesses will be intimidated, etc?