The Jeffery Epstein Case

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  1. GhostEcho

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    Stuff it. ;)
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  2. Zombie

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    It will never end the conspiracies.

    Even if the cameras were working and showed Epstein doing it there would still be conspiracies.
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  3. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Sheithforge Formerly Important

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    I...have mixed feelings about that because of the way most prisons are extremely understaffed and workers have no choice but to work 80+ hours a week. The ones like MCC in particular are notorious for this. The only difference is the infamy of the inmate who popped off.

    Having been in the military myself, I can personally attest to the effects of such a schedule, which is why half the Engineering department on any given carrier is coked up most of the time. You can't physically be work that long for any extended length of time without banned substances or going insane.
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    coked up? So the Navy doesn't drug test? The army tests the living dog shit out of it's members.
    That said the army really jerked around the air traffic controllers when I was in Korea. They had those jokers jumping to different shifts constantly. Sometimes they would be on three different shifts in one week! :unuts:
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    Navy Nukes are...different. Because of how hard it is to pass that school, those fuckers could start a mutiny on board and still have a job. A guy my brother knew got coked up purposely to get booted and the MA "lost" his sample. :brood:

    I'm so glad I got dropped because I couldn't get a clearance in boot camp over a few bills in collections.
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    if I weren't military myself my mind would be blown over the fact that coke = "good to go! Nothing to see here!" while bills in collections = "you're a LIABILITY! Be gone from my sight!"
    Damn I fucking hate internal politics like that! :shakefist:
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    Well, you know how it is. The military protects whos more expensive to replace useful to them. Until they ain't. :marathon:
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  10. GhostEcho

    GhostEcho Christian Conservative (Republican)

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    This is colossal BS. Navy Nukes get their nuke cert. dropped and kicked out of the Navy for the smallest things. The Nuke program is pretty much as zero tolerance of BS that there is.

    Signed,
    A former Navy Nuke
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    Is it coke or amphetamines? I would say if you were trying to keep up for long shifts coke would be terrible. It is expensive, it drops off quick, and you would be out. People who I know who worked long hours on things like the car manufacturing lines went for oxy or amphetamines. You could snort it like coke, it lasted much longer, and it was overall much cheaper. Even I find coke to be really bad for staying up and partying. I can do much better with the amphetamine action of DXM and go for a weekend. Coke means a crash and a hangover.

    That could be a reason why the guards would pass out and be hard to wake.
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    Like always you are stretching things. His residency was not terminated. It was ended early due to "performance issues" which seem to be regarding his use of social media to attack the president. There does not seem to be any issues regarding his abilities as a medical professional despite the attempts of @GhostEcho to take other issues and smear his reputation. There is nothing notable in his education regarding medical pathology and he does seem pretty young and not like he has much experience in investigation.

    It seems more that we can evaluate his findings as a reporting of the medical facts of the autopsy and not whether or not there was a strangulation over a hanging as he would not have much experience in determining between the two.

    But there is really no reason to say he is anything more than perhaps unprofessional in his use of social media.

    Is @GhostEcho Gturner or ramen?
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Gu

    Nothing there to show any problems regarding his medical abilities. Lack of performance is a manipulation of the reasoning.

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    Turns out neglect is par for the course in federal prisons.
    More at the link.
    https://reason.com/2019/08/15/jeffr...s-jailers-neglected-him-hes-not-the-only-one/
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  18. Tererun

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    There is a reality that medical is an escape from the boredom of regular prison, and it is also an area where one can get meds prescribed which makes it the distribution point for prescription drug abuse inside. Because of this you are going to have a large percentage of the con men and people looking for a high using medical as a weakness in the system. When you are talking about a system that is composed primarily of the worst con men and junkies there is a reason to be cynical and skeptical of prisoner complaints. Medical is easier time than regular lockup so people are going to fake shit, and they do all the time.

    In the defense of the prison staff you have limited resources to help those who are sick, and a large number of fakers looking to game the system. The guards themselves are not medical professionals trained to spot illnesses and real symptoms, and they are the people who control admittance into medical. If they let every person who bitched into medical, medical would be overrun with fakers. Medical people are also under influence to keep costs down and weed out the fakers. That means you might sit there and observe a person who claims to be in pain looking for them to fuck up in their act.

    It is not an ideal system, and it is going to lead to problems, but I cannot see a great solution to the problem that would not lead to massive abuse.
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    Not having for profit prisons, as OITNB has pointed out satirically, would be a big start.
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  20. tafkats

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    But then how would we steer taxpayer money to private-sector Republican donors?
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  21. Tererun

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    I am all for the benefits of not having a for profit prison system, and it may help, but it also might not.

    I think they purposefully made trips to medical hard in jail. It was an all day process. You got held in transfer cells for hours without a toilet. You had nothing to do but sit and were yelled at if you tried to lay down. You were ignored for long periods of time because if someone payed attention to the people there the prisoners would start complaining and acting up. I went there twice for paperwork, and I found it annoying. Some of the prisoners found it to be a break in the day. Others were on meds which some of them sold. There was a lot of people who did not have a thing wrong with them going constantly to medical. You would watch these people claiming to be sick and in pain, but then they would complain if they were going to be late getting back because they would miss rec and their basketball game.

    Medical is also one of the places where you would see a doctor who was probably one of the more sympathetic prisoner advocates you could get to see. So the doctors would listen to you, and they are probably the most likely to care about prisoner issues and the prisoners knew that.

    OITNB is nice, but you are made to feel somewhat sympathetic to the prisoners. One lesson you should take away from the show is one they had to downplay for the purposes of getting you invested in the characters. Even the good people in prison are taught to game the system, and that is what everyone does in prison. If you sit there and wait for the system to see you need help medically none will come to you because you will be behind every con man and beggar in the system. The system will not come and find you sick because it cannot see around the crowd of beggars and bullshit. No one has time to go look for the sick, and if they tried to they would be mobbed by the fakers. If you started to look for sick people everyone sees you as a mark. You cannot get away from that because it is inherent in the nature of criminals. As a prisoner who is sick you are going to have to get to the front of the beggars and con men, and if you cannot you better have friends who will toss your crippled body in front of them.

    The day I got out there was a fight in processing and I let myself be placed into a room with a small window out of sight because there was a fight in the area and I was just waiting to notify my people to get picked up. I almost missed my opportunity to get out that day because they forgot about me, and I was not the type to be all impatient. I did not knock on the door and make myself known because I did not want to be a problem. I was getting out, no need to be a dick, I got along with the guards. No reason to make myself a target. They forgot about me. Luckily one of the prisoners who worked there noticed where I was after a few hours and woke me up concerned because he knew I was getting out. Then I had to make noise because the guards were reluctant to admit they made a mistake and time was running out on the day for me to get picked up. I should have been making it known I was in the cell because no one could see me, and the guards don't care if I get out today or tomorrow. Everyone else was making so much noise in the area that the quiet respectable person gets ignored.

    It is the way of the system where you have to fight for yourself and speak up. The problem becomes as you get sicker you have less energy and ability to speak up and make the effort to be seen. You are at a point where adding more people to the system will not help people being overlooked because the resources of the response will simply be absorbed by the attention seekers.
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    Not for nothing here, but the non-progressive dems are right there with them. Hillary was certainly a huge problem in this area for all of her career and encouraged the high school to prison pipeline that gets it's contracts and gives kickbacks to politicians.

    In this particular area I don't think you can say either party really does any better. The only thing I can say is that the dems do have an awakening in the justice democrats trying to fight the party's overwhelming participation in this system and change the party. But they are evil socialists so we can all pretend they should never be listened to because they are crazy. I don't see pelosi and the establishment democrats taking up prison reform issues now that they have the house. They could put that on their agenda and couple that with their more visible issues, but that just keeps getting sidelined.
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    Perhaps that's true, but a LOT of people unnecessarily die in prison because of the mentality that inmates arent even people. They don't see human beings, they see their convictions. Which...okay, I get it to a degree, but somehow I don't think every inmate in prison is a Baddason or season 1 Pennsatucky.

    There's definitely a fair number of dems I know that have played into this corrupt system to be sure--California was the first state with the infamous Three Strikes law and led the charge for gun control to target Black Panthers--but it's not for nothing that Big Prison cozies the right wingers . Please don't be like every centralist in 2000 that viewed Gore and Bush as "exactly the same," cuz you and I both know how that turned out.
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    Wow, even the fight for gun control is a race thing with you. Jeezus! Where does it end?
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    :rolleyes:

    It's not what *I* want. It just *is,* signed off on by ya boy Ronald Reagan when he was governor, in fact:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hi...-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

    Frankly, I'm surprised you had to learn this from me, cuz most of the gun fetishizers lately have been quick to bring it up as a reason not to ban any weapons at all. :bailey:

    Not my fault history doesn't skew in your favor.

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    I'll bite, why do you think Reagan introduced gun control measures in California?

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    Makes sense really that those whose positions are based on private employment would favour the party least likely to nationalise.
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    well that is a good point, especially in the "the simplest explanation is the most likely" way. I think everyone agrees that the incarceration/legal/criminal justice system is an epically huge industry.
    Keeping the general public safer is a side effect of the industry, but not the primary focus.
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    Finally a revelation that makes a convincing motive for a person like epstein taking himself out and needing to do it withing a certain period of time.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/epstein-may-gamed-system-beyond-195848039.html

    Epstein's will placed his fortune into a trust on his death. This would be a big hurdle to his victims to get to his estate, and it is a big fuck you to them. Had he not died his assets could have been seized by the government for restitution and his victims. So by dying he not only escapes incarceration, but by doing it quickly he also allows his money to be locked up for longer periods and even if his victims do get to it they will waste years and resources trying.

    This is a vindictive move of a dominant abusive personality who uses his last acts to screw over his victims again. That is a motive for him to commit suicide in a rushed way like he did. That is something a defeated person like him would do.
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    So just so we're clear, you aren't on murder conspiracies anymore? :?:

    But yeah, it's just like Gran Torino, except Clint Eastwood was the one that paid off the Hmong gang to rape that one girl. :marathon:

    Joy.

    I hope they can at least put the rest of his pedo buddies away.