The Jeffery Epstein Case

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  1. spot261

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    Having both sets of cameras down might initially look suspicious but of course they might well be linked. How suspicious their being down at all is is a matter of perspective, for all we know they could have been in a poor state of repair and prone to malfunction. An interesting question from the perspective of outside cameras would be if anyone entered the cell and if so how did they achieve it? Assuming the door was locked (which seems to be the case) it would require someone with access to keys and that's no small deal. Key allocations in secure institutions are very tight and staff cannot merely enter or leave the building without being logged in and out, typically being assigned a designated set of keys for purposes of audit trails. Those keys then do not leave the person in secure areas, typically being strapped to their belt or similar.

    Movement of staff between areas might be free but would still be noticed by others, so investigators would know that there had to be some involvement (witting or otherwise) from officers or their superiors, even if it were merely a case of having opened the cell door.

    Movies tend to make these things appear much simpler than they in reality are. James Bond kicking out ventilation grills or Bruce Willis sneaking through the sewers is by and large the stuff of Hollywood, in reality anything a scriptwriter can ream up has already been considered and factored by thousands of people spending decades designing security procedures and foul play in reality tends to be require at least some level of complicity from the inside. You can sneak rugs and mobile phones into jails, but sneaking assassins in and out undetected just isn't happening, not unless this was severely incompetently operated facility.
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    There might not even need to be outside influence - one of the guards may have been reading up on Epstein's alleged crimes and decided he plain needed killin'.

    Here in the UK, a notorious paedophile nurse who abused toddlers is about to be released on parole and the public are up in arms. One of the fathers has said that he would cheerfully murder her if he saw her on the street and suspects it's only a matter of time until someone recognizes her and takes matters into their own hands. I'm sure there have been incidents where guards have whacked criminals whose shit is too heinous and covered it up as suicide in the past.
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  3. spot261

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    It's possible, but any guard who did this would be making a monumentally stupid mistake. There's no way they'd be able to cover it up under the inevitable scrutiny.
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    Well, true, but the same can be said for anyone paying off the guards to kill him. Just saying the motive could be simple vigilante "justice" rather than a murder to keep him from testifying.
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  5. oldfella1962

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    dude this is the US we're talking about here. Zombie (despite anyone's personal opinion of him) is level headed, experienced, honest and intelligent. Some other guards....not so much! Probably the dumbest guard I've ever seen here at the local level is a guy who recently retired from the army at around 40 or so. He has his very ample lifetime pension and benefits guaranteed until death, so probably another 30 years
    or so. So he takes a post military job (like we all do) as a jail guard at my county lockup. Not great pay, but it's steady respectable work and he already has much of the skillset required, so not a big learning curve for him during jail guard training. Now here comes the twist.

    About a month into the job this motherfucker gets busted bringing contraband into the jail! :facepalm: and not a little contraband, but a shitload of it on what turned out to be multiple occasions. So he's arrested and now he's an inmate with no fucking chance of ever getting a good paying job when he gets out. If he ever had a security clearance (I don't remember what he did in the army) he can kiss that goodbye.

    He could have ridden off into the sunset some day with his pension and a decade or two of good-to-great post military occupational income
    under his belt but he went full retard.
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  6. spot261

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    Indeed.
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    Stupid indeed but sadly commonplace. It's quite a stretch from smuggling contraband to murdering inmates though. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, simply that it would almost certainly be the biggest mistake of that persons' life.

    That being said, IF he was murdered there had to be officers involved somehow.
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    NYC has had in the past cops so dirty & crooked that they committed contract killings for organized crime members. :whoa:
    Hey, a lot of cops have side jobs....granted hit man isn't the most common choice.
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  9. spot261

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    Yeah, I can imagine that to be the case, but then again if by "the mob" you mean the mafia my understanding is they have a very long reach and a lot of clout indeed. I can well imagine their being in a position to intimidate or bribe officials throughout the government and public services, including ones who wouldn't be amenable if it were somebody else doing the asking.

    We have cops here sometimes doubling as bodyguards, which makes a lot of sense given their powers of arrest still apply when officially "off duty", it's legal and above board but not everyone's comfortable with it.
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    yes it was the Mafia. And here in the US a lot of cops work security to supplement their income - you have the skillset & powers of arrest, so why not?
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    Yep. For all we know Epstein tied the sheet around his neck and dropped himself causing the bones in his neck to break. Why? Well we've all grown up watching movies where when they hang you they also drop you and for all we know that's how he thought you do it.

    He was in a cell by himself. So if it's going to be claimed that he was murdered than we're going to need a little more proof than a couple of broken neck bones.
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    most likely Epstein offed himself if only because he demonstrated willingness to do so from his previous recent suicide attempt, using the same method of death. Okay he didn't have many options available obviously, but still he demonstrated that he has the ability and motivation to kill himself. I just hope this doesn't throw too big a monkey wrench into the works when it comes to victims getting justice.
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    At first I thought this was a bullshit story but nope it's real. It's been reported in reputable news sites. It was found in Epstein's Manhattan mansion:

    (It's safe for work)


    :flow:

    Okay maybe there is some truth to the someone killed Epstein theory. :ramen:
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    Anyone like the idea that maybe Epstein is hidden away in protective custody somewhere, and that this whole suicide thing is a maskirovka?
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    That would be awesome but I'm not buying. He's dead. Too many people would have to be involved to do something like this.

    Plus the FBI is raiding his home and his island without warrants because he's dead. It's legal. If he was alive all that stuff they scooped up would be in serious jeopardy of being thrown out in court in his case or other people's cases.
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    That's also why I tend to think that the 'witness protection' deal is not the case.

    If he's alive, then presumably he gave permission and the FBI is still legal.

    However, I do tend to think he's dead.
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  17. spot261

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    You know it did occur to me.

    Would take a hell of a lot to pull that off though in terms of deflecting attention and investigations, keeping guards quiet, making sure he wasn't recognised.
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    This is to me the strongest single argument against him being murdered. The Clintons are regarded as very skilled lawyers and I can't imagine they would have overlooked what would happen if he turned up dead. I'm sure the Clintons weren't the only lawyers in Epstein's orbit. Doesn't mean he wasn't killed, but it's an argument against murder.
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    He’s not going to give permission because short of a presidential pardon he’s going to jail forever. Even if he cooperates. He knows his only chance of beating this case would be if the evidence is not allowed in court.

    Well knew.... he’s dead now so it doesn’t matter to him.
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    Wait a minute...that's actually a REAL painting????!!!!!! I thought it was just another photoshopped meme on social media. Holy cow. This dude was messed up.
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    That'd be one hell of a gritty reboot! :soma:
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    I mean, you're crazy for other reasons too :diacanu:
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    That Clinton pic.....Devil with a blue dress, blue dress, blue dress, devil with a blue dress on! :diablo:
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    yes! Now that's a fucking screenplay right there!
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    I've been reading elsewhere that strangulation is only ~2x as likely to cause hyoid bone fracture as hanging. Not saying he wasn't strangled, but this tweet isn't a good argument for it (or the other stats I've read are wrong).
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    What's elsewhere? Gu's a respected doctor, though not a medical pathologist, so I'm inclined to believe him. And depending upon how one is hanged, they can die by one of three methods: A broken neck, strangulation, or decapitation. I don't know how likely it is for one to have a broken hyoid bone if they died by strangulation after being hanged.

    It's possible, and without seeing the autopsy report, we can't know this, that when he realized that he was going to die by strangulation, he panicked, and his thrashings about are what caused the hyoid bone to break. The simple truth here is that we're all basically a bunch of internet wankers speculating on something. None of us really have the kind of specialized knowledge to give definitive statements on this, outside of Elwood and Zombie. And I think that both of them would agree that they can't give a complete picture, either.

    The thing to do is to trust the official statements unless credible experts come out countering those statements. At which point, it's time to look at removing those folks in power. I posted Gu's tweet because it eliminates certain conspiracy theories.