Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by shootER, Apr 18, 2019.
The original purpose of the NRA of teaching responsible gun ownership and safety is a role that needs to be filled and there's no reason for that to be political. Sadly, they morphed into a political monster.
If I were a member, I'd be pissed at how the leadership stole money from the organization.
But you're also talking about people who love Trump, so I'm sure the membership has no problem with it.
Yeah people who support the NRA are the same brain dead morons who support Trump.
Nothing wrong with responsible gun ownership.
Nothing wrong with fiscal conservatism as an ideal.
Plenty wrong with supporting people for those reasons who give lip service at best. They don't even have to stab their supporters in the back, their supporters stab themselves and then blame the liberals for it.
DC’s AG is joining in on the fun.
This will not end well. Going after NRA for financial shenanigans is all well and good, but it's also going to point a light on a lot of other organizations that do the same thing.
Where’s the problem with that? As someone who worked for a responsible charity I don’t see any downside to cleaning out the “non-profit” sewer.
Going to be a lot of chaos and loss of trust in that whole sector that is going to harm good orgs as much as the bad ones. It's going to be messy.
Hopefully there are not a lot of charitable organizations that have done anything close to what the NRA allegedly did. I think it's premature to worry about good charitable organizations being tarred with the same brush as the NRA.
Investigating all of Donnie-boy's pseudo-charities could take years.
The realm of non-profits and charities is basically the Wild West. It's overdue for a cleanup and the legitimate charities are going to be the ones who will be cheering on the prosecutors.
Let me get this straight, @Lanzman. Prosecuting crimes is bad because then other criminal organizations will also be prosecuted for the crimes they committed?
No, not at all. But kicking over a hornet's nest can lead to many stings. You just have to be aware of the potential.
The potential for making people accountable...?
In your scenario, what exactly do you envision as the potential "stings"? Good non-profits being harmed?
If they're breaking the law or being unethical, doesn't that make them a bad non-profit (and we just don't know it yet)?
Fuck, even the Mafia and Yakuza do good, charitable work, but that doesn't make them good organizations.
Harm to good non-profits, yes. Overall decline of charitable contributions due to lack of faith in the various organizations. Decline as well in volunteers to work the orgs. Surely you're familiar with the aphorism that one bad apple can spoil a whole bunch? Or how about "One aw-shit wipes out a whole lot of attaboys"?
So we just let the bad ones go on their merry way?
Sweet baby Jeebus, are you purposefully dense or what? What possible reading of my posts would lead you to think I was advocating that?
What the hell are you driving at? Is the possibility of harm to "good" charities a reason not to prosecute "bad" ones?
As soon as he defaults to "nanny state," there's no point in taking him seriously.
You wait that long to hit "eject"?
Aren't you saintly.
Sounds like a failure of the free market and an argument for stronger enforcement of regulations as regular part of doing business if coming in after to punish transgressions causes so much collateral damage.
I don't see how enforcing laws against those nonprofits breaking the laws (and disbanding them) will decrease people's willingness to donate to charity. If anything, that would make people more likely to donate because the bad apples have been removed from the bunch.
hey... at least he's consistent about corporate corruption needing to be preserved.
I have absolutely no problem with this turn of events.
Yeah, me neither and I'm a life member*.
*Only reason I'm still a life member is I don't know how to cancel it and can't be arsed to figure it out....plus the free accidental death and dismemberment insurance...you never know.
Well, we certainly have to be concerned about harming good charities by prosecuting bad ones.
I trashed my card a long time ago and have opted out of all of the e-mail distribution lists. I still get American Rifleman, but it goes straight in the trash. Like you, I just can't be bothered to figure out how to quit.
Even in the current environment, there's a way to ascertain whether the charities/NGOs you contribute to are (A) legit and, if so (B) how much of what you donate goes to the actual people/causes they purport to serve and how much goes into administrative costs:
If they're spending too much on office furniture and copy paper, ditch 'em.
There's also the Charity Navigator, which goes into pretty good detail about the NRA.
in a sane world, the people MOST outraged about the crimes of the NRA would be the dues-paying members.
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